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Old January 25 2013, 02:24 AM   #31
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Re: Starships underwater WTF???

We've had subs that can go into space since the Nineties.

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Old January 26 2013, 12:57 AM   #32
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Can submarines they build in the 23rd century go into space as well?
Yes. Happy now?
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Old January 26 2013, 04:23 AM   #33
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Old January 26 2013, 10:43 PM   #34
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Can submarines they build in the 23rd century go into space as well?
I don't know, but Voyager established that in the Star Trek Universe, starships can be relatively easily modified to go miles and miles underwater.
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Old January 27 2013, 12:17 AM   #35
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Can submarines they build in the 23rd century go into space as well?
I don't know, but Voyager established that in the Star Trek Universe, starships can be relatively easily modified to go miles and miles underwater.
Which makes sense, since they have to be airtight.
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Old January 27 2013, 12:41 AM   #36
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I don't have an issue with water - the ship survived the pressure of a black hole without even slightly buckling its pylons, water pressure is nothing by comparison. But actually, now that I think about it, two wrongs don't necessarily make a right... I suppose we have to assume that the structural integrity field holds the ship together at the limits of pressure.

I do however have an issue with a ship of that shape and size being able to take off and land on a planet though. They haven't set down on land - which would look very silly (although even by TMP, the saucer section was designed with the intention that it could detach and land). Surely the energy required to escape planetary gravity for something of that size and density is going to do a lot of damage to marine life? Massacreing plant and animal life for miles around isn't really Starfleet.
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Old January 27 2013, 12:45 AM   #37
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Surely the energy required to escape planetary gravity for something of that size and density is going to do a lot of damage to marine life? Massacreing plant and animal life for miles around isn't really Starfleet.

Considering that either they succeed in the mission or the whole planet is dead anyway from what we've seen, some marine life can probably be sacrificed.
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Old January 27 2013, 12:46 AM   #38
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There are no marines on the Enterprise!!!!


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Old January 27 2013, 01:07 PM   #39
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There are no marines on the Enterprise!!!!
Yet there was a Sub Commander Tal in "The Enterprise Incident." Talk about being out of one's element.

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There are no marines on the Enterprise!!!!
Yet there was a Sub Commander Tal in "The Enterprise Incident." Talk about being out of one's element.

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Old February 1 2013, 06:01 AM   #41
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Old February 1 2013, 12:31 PM   #42
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"We're off to outer space, to save the human race!"
Have you seen the 2010 live action movie (the source of the above screen cap)? It is remarkably true to the original, yet improves the entire story with subtle changes. For example, in the original the Gamilons were blue-skinned humanoids. Since they were modifying Earth to suit their needs, you'd think there must be billions of other planets to choose from between the LMG and here. Why Earth? The movie answers that question.
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Old February 1 2013, 03:27 PM   #43
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Space Battleship Yamato 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fQoh6AIgNE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iissssJnq4M

God bless Marlon Brando and Ronald D. Moore. S'all I'm saying.

For actors, Marlon, in the words of Jack Nicholson, "Set us free." You don't get it until you see movie cultures that never got that influence; everything is so scripted and spoon-fed. So archetypal and wooden. So corpsed.

With Moore, of course, you get the realism of Battlestar Galactica - not that trite Power Ranger future that was past it half a century ago.

But Japan had Kurosawa and Mifune, so not sure what happened there. Did it not translate to Sci Fi? And please don't say Ghost in the Shell. Almost but not quite.
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Old February 1 2013, 06:02 PM   #44
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^ Huh? Are you commenting on the original SPACE BATTLESHIP YAMATO anime, or the live action movie? "Translate to sci-fi"? Are you suggesting that Western-made "sci-fi" movies are any less "fantastic" or loose with the laws of physics?
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Old February 1 2013, 09:09 PM   #45
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It's not a contest. Nor are artistic boundaries as black and white as those on maps.

Give me writing and acting over FX any day of the year. Hang a story on people, not costumes with speaking roles.

And I'm sorry but the costuming in that live action movie reminds me of MST3K's Invasion of the Neptune Men.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpVI7_xqZOw

Other people can do whatever they want. If it were me I would stop designing for 1950's children.

Oh, and I have watched enough media from around the world to be able to say "God bless Marlon Brando." But then again I appreciate cultural influences and don't pretend it's the same everywhere.
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