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Old January 26 2013, 09:30 PM   #376
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Seriously, of all the weird crap I've posted during my time here I had no idea casually mentioning that people don't read much any more would be controversial. I just... thought that was accepted now? I dunno, maybe I'm one of the younger people here and that explains it but I find it weird people wouldn't be aware that books haven't exactly been in vogue for a long, long time.
Books or reading? Based on personal experience or a well documented trend with evidence to back it up?
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Old January 26 2013, 09:33 PM   #377
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I'm not jumping to any conclusions. Generally speaking, people don't really read that much any more.
Yes, yes you are - you are asserting that people 'don't read that much any more' that is a conclusion, your evidential base is "I fink" and "people I know".

Let's play a game called 'evidence'.

I'll start and then you join in, the Kasier Family foundation found that the amount of time that 8-18 year olds spent reading for pleasure increased between 1999-2010.

Now you present something that evidences your claim that "people really read that much any more".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19511825

Good now we have something to discuss that is not "I fink", if you read within the actual report it says reading is starting to increase again - and that at least a third of children read everyday and across the week at least half read something - how does that equate with "nobody reads anymore?"
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Old January 26 2013, 09:34 PM   #378
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all black people are lazy?


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Based on personal experience or a well documented trend with evidence to back it up?
Look, I can't believe we're even seriously having this conversation. Printed book sales are declining every year. Not to mention that 1 in 20 books sold last year in the UK were 50 Shades of Grey. Not exactly a great sign?
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Old January 26 2013, 09:36 PM   #379
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[[B] Add in many nerds' social skills problems and inability to understand the gap between their wants and others.
Say what? Wait you aren't doing that "many nerds are autistic" thing are you? Isn't the most parsimonious answer "they are simply assholes?"
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Old January 26 2013, 09:36 PM   #380
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all black people are lazy?

That's good work Jim - you took my quote completely out of context. Now see if you can do it again but this time in context.
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Old January 26 2013, 09:39 PM   #381
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Seriously, of all the weird crap I've posted during my time here I had no idea casually mentioning that people don't read much any more would be controversial. I just... thought that was accepted now? I dunno, maybe I'm one of the younger people here and that explains it but I find it weird people wouldn't be aware that books haven't exactly been in vogue for a long, long time.
The success of Ereaders would seem to contradict you. Maybe you should start adding "in my opinion" and/or "in my experience" to more of your statements.
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Old January 26 2013, 09:43 PM   #382
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[[B] Add in many nerds' social skills problems and inability to understand the gap between their wants and others.
Say what? Wait you aren't doing that "many nerds are autistic" thing are you? Isn't the most parsimonious answer "they are simply assholes?"
Not at all. I said many have social skills problems. I myself am autistic and I don't think I have any problems interacting with people in the real world.
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Old January 26 2013, 09:45 PM   #383
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Maybe you should start adding "in my opinion" and/or "in my experience" to more of your statements.
It would make no sense if I said "In my opinion, people don't read as much any more". That isn't an opinion. An opinion would be if I said it was good or bad that people don't read as much any more.
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Old January 26 2013, 09:46 PM   #384
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While I was taking the piss, I do genuinely think that Timothy Zahn's sequel trilogy novels hold up excellently and Abrams would do well to adapt them.
Forget that trilogy. First, JJ has NOTHING to do with the story. It is being written by someone else BASED on whatever concept/idea GL included in his sale to Disney.

And not EVERYONE liked the trilogy.
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Old January 26 2013, 09:50 PM   #385
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Forget that trilogy. First, JJ has NOTHING to do with the story. It is being written by someone else BASED on whatever concept/idea GL included in his sale to Disney.

And not EVERYONE liked the trilogy.
Well, I'd say the majority of readers were satisfied by Zahn's trilogy and the fact everybody in this thread knows which books I'm talking about when this isn't even a Star Wars forum proves their popularity.
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Old January 26 2013, 09:53 PM   #386
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First, JJ has NOTHING to do with the story.
I... think everyone here knows that. No one thinks Timothy Zahn was the original name for a young, coke-addled, gun smuggler before he found success in the TV series Felicity by murdering a man named JJ Abrams and taking his place. Nor does anyone think Abrams WILL adapt Zahn. Just that he'd do well to. Not that he will, not that DalekJim thinks he will. Just... that it would've been good if he did.
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Old January 26 2013, 09:54 PM   #387
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They're popular enough that we know about them. A bunch of guys on a Star Trek message board of a little over 20,000 registered members isn't the general moviegoing public at large.

And there are the timeline issues with the Zahn novels that I mentioned earlier.
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Old January 26 2013, 09:54 PM   #388
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Not at all. I said many have social skills problems. I myself am autistic and I don't think I have any problems interacting with people in the real world.
You're very lucky. I'm in the same boat but I have atrocious social skills and am therefore fair game for abuse. You have like... the best of both worlds by being autistic and being able to function socially with no problems at all.
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Old January 26 2013, 09:57 PM   #389
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Yes, yes you are - you are asserting that people 'don't read that much any more' that is a conclusion, your evidential base is "I fink" and "people I know".

Let's play a game called 'evidence'.

I'll start and then you join in, the Kasier Family foundation found that the amount of time that 8-18 year olds spent reading for pleasure increased between 1999-2010.

Now you present something that evidences your claim that "people really read that much any more".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19511825

Good now we have something to discuss that is not "I fink", if you read within the actual report it says reading is starting to increase again - and that at least a third of children read everyday and across the week at least half read something - how does that equate with "nobody reads anymore?"
Urgh. Forget it. You are the victor. Congrats.
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Old January 26 2013, 09:59 PM   #390
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Maybe you should start adding "in my opinion" and/or "in my experience" to more of your statements.
It would make no sense if I said "In my opinion, people don't read as much any more". That isn't an opinion.
Yes, yes it is. When you can point to a sample set substantially larger than your friends, you might have some ground to stand on.
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