Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek - Page 20

OdoWanKenobi · January 26 2013, 03:08 AM

Star Trek was dead, of its own doing. Star Trek as it was, could no longer sustain itself. Is anybody seriously going to argue that Voyager and Enterprise were the pinnacle of television? Is anybody going to argue that Nemesis was a cinematic masterpiece? The franchise had become tired and irrelevant. Abrams took it, updated it, and made it something worthwhile again, If he had to pull some of the guts out to do it, then so be it. Slavish devotion to what came before only leads to stagnation.

The Wormhole · January 26 2013, 03:15 AM

Icemizer wrote:

I side with kirk55555 in this arguement but wish Abrams well in his attempts to return Star Wars to a higher level. If he is not writing, I think as a director he will be ok. I disagreed with nearly every writing decision in Star Trek. Hated the lensflare no end, but thought his overall direction and shot choices were good enough.

As director, the lens flares were part of his direction and shot choices. And you can be damned well sure he'll use them in SW.

Mr. Adventure · January 26 2013, 03:20 AM

As someone who wasn't a big fan of Trek XI, I wouldn't argue its success or viability, I just didn't care for it personally.

The Wormhole wrote:

Icemizer wrote:

I side with kirk55555 in this arguement but wish Abrams well in his attempts to return Star Wars to a higher level. If he is not writing, I think as a director he will be ok. I disagreed with nearly every writing decision in Star Trek. Hated the lensflare no end, but thought his overall direction and shot choices were good enough.

As director, the lens flares were part of his direction and shot choices. And you can be damned well sure he'll use them in SW.

Hard to say, I think the flares were probably to sell us on the future as shiny, bright and new. I don't know that SW warrants such. Do the flares pre-date Trek?

OdoWanKenobi · January 26 2013, 03:23 AM

Mr. Adventure wrote:

Hard to say, I think the flares were probably to sell us on the future as shiny, bright and new. I don't know that SW warrants such. Do the flares pre-date Trek?

Yeah, that's his style. Mission Impossible III and Super-8 are both full of lens flares, too.

Professor Zoom · January 26 2013, 03:24 AM

I'm glad he's directing Star Wars. It's already a pleasure watching fandom melting down, and I eagerly await the poll "Which Franchise Did Abrams Ruin MOAR Star Wars or Star Trek?!!?!"

I remember when being a fan was fun.... sigh.

OdoWanKenobi · January 26 2013, 03:29 AM

^What are you talking about? Being a fan is not about having fun. Don't you know that only the very first thing that ever comes out in a franchise is any good, and anything that comes after that is awful? If a movie does not descend down from the heavens and bring world peace, then it is the worst pile of shit ever committed to film. That is what the true fans of anything think.

JD · January 26 2013, 03:36 AM

theenglish wrote:

JD wrote:

Damn. I can understand that not everyone likes the same things, but I don't think there is any way someone could actually convince me that Abrams' Star Trek is actually that bad.

Well, watch ST TMP, the ideal of what ST wanted to be, and then watch Khan, the perfect balance, and then watch Abrams Trek. Where are the themes? Where is the human equation? Where are the big questions?

To be completely honest, I really don't care about that stuff. I just thought it was a good story, with good characters, good writing, and some cool actions scenes.

Nerys Myk · January 26 2013, 03:43 AM

EnsignRicky wrote:

Well I greatly enjoyed all six Star Wars films and was surprisingly underwhelmed by the last Trek outing, so I'm gonna have to go ahead and be concerned.

I'm concerned that you found the last three Star Wars films enjoyable.

Mr. Adventure · January 26 2013, 03:44 AM

OdoWanKenobi wrote:

^What are you talking about? Being a fan is not about having fun. Don't you know that only the very first thing that ever comes out in a franchise is any good, and anything that comes after that is awful? If a movie does not descend down from the heavens and bring world peace, then it is the worst pile of shit ever committed to film. That is what the true fans of anything think.

The flip side is not being able to enjoy something unless there's universal praise from all quarters. Getting worked up over other people not liking something doesn't help.

Admiral Buzzkill · January 26 2013, 03:46 AM

The Wormhole wrote:

Icemizer wrote:

I side with kirk55555 in this arguement but wish Abrams well in his attempts to return Star Wars to a higher level. If he is not writing, I think as a director he will be ok. I disagreed with nearly every writing decision in Star Trek. Hated the lensflare no end, but thought his overall direction and shot choices were good enough.

As director, the lens flares were part of his direction and shot choices. And you can be damned well sure he'll use them in SW.

No, you really can't.

You mean you haven't noticed that he doesn't shoot everything he does exactly the same?

Hartzilla2007 · January 26 2013, 04:03 AM

Professor Zoom wrote:

I'm glad he's directing Star Wars. It's already a pleasure watching fandom melting down, and I eagerly await the poll "Which Franchise Did Abrams Ruin MOAR Star Wars or Star Trek?!!?!"

Just wait till we get the reaction if he doesn't slavishly follow the EU, the internet might burn down.

PsychoPere · January 26 2013, 04:11 AM

Yeah, those reactions are going to be unfortunate and ugly. I'm generally fond of the EU, but recognize that expecting new movies to adhere to its continuity is an absolute non-starter.

I'm sure Abrams will do a fine job if he is indeed the director, though I am disappointed in the choice because I had hoped that a director who is not as established would be chosen.

EnsignRicky · January 26 2013, 04:12 AM

Nerys Myk wrote:

EnsignRicky wrote:

Well I greatly enjoyed all six Star Wars films and was surprisingly underwhelmed by the last Trek outing, so I'm gonna have to go ahead and be concerned.

I'm concerned that you found the last three Star Wars films enjoyable.

You need not concern yourself.

Dream · January 26 2013, 04:15 AM

PsychoPere wrote:

Yeah, those reactions are going to be unfortunate and ugly. I'm generally fond of the EU, but recognize that expecting new movies to adhere to its continuity is an absolute non-starter.

I'm sure Abrams will do a fine job if he is indeed the director, though I am disappointed in the choice because I had hoped that a director who is not as established would be chosen.

I guess all those terrible EU books will become alternate universe novels the moment EP7 is released!

Nerys Myk · January 26 2013, 04:18 AM

EnsignRicky wrote:

Nerys Myk wrote:

EnsignRicky wrote:

Well I greatly enjoyed all six Star Wars films and was surprisingly underwhelmed by the last Trek outing, so I'm gonna have to go ahead and be concerned.

I'm concerned that you found the last three Star Wars films enjoyable.

You need not concern yourself.

Relax cupcake, it's a joke.

January 26 2013, 03:08 AM	#286
OdoWanKenobi Shapeshifting Jedi Location: Gotham City	Re: Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek Star Trek was dead, of its own doing. Star Trek as it was, could no longer sustain itself. Is anybody seriously going to argue that Voyager and Enterprise were the pinnacle of television? Is anybody going to argue that Nemesis was a cinematic masterpiece? The franchise had become tired and irrelevant. Abrams took it, updated it, and made it something worthwhile again, If he had to pull some of the guts out to do it, then so be it. Slavish devotion to what came before only leads to stagnation. __________________ I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite thread on the TrekBBS.

January 26 2013, 03:24 AM	#290
Professor Zoom Vice Admiral Location: Idealistic	Re: Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek I'm glad he's directing Star Wars. It's already a pleasure watching fandom melting down, and I eagerly await the poll "Which Franchise Did Abrams Ruin MOAR Star Wars or Star Trek?!!?!" I remember when being a fan was fun.... sigh. __________________ Batman does not eat nachos.

January 26 2013, 03:29 AM	#291
OdoWanKenobi Shapeshifting Jedi Location: Gotham City	Re: Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek ^What are you talking about? Being a fan is not about having fun. Don't you know that only the very first thing that ever comes out in a franchise is any good, and anything that comes after that is awful? If a movie does not descend down from the heavens and bring world peace, then it is the worst pile of shit ever committed to film. That is what the true fans of anything think. __________________ I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite thread on the TrekBBS.

January 26 2013, 04:11 AM	#297
PsychoPere Vice Admiral	Re: Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek Yeah, those reactions are going to be unfortunate and ugly. I'm generally fond of the EU, but recognize that expecting new movies to adhere to its continuity is an absolute non-starter. I'm sure Abrams will do a fine job if he is indeed the director, though I am disappointed in the choice because I had hoped that a director who is not as established would be chosen.

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