RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,749
Posts: 5,433,281
Members: 24,838
Currently online: 409
Newest member: Mei'konda

TrekToday headlines

Episode Four of The Red Shirt Diaries
By: T'Bonz on Sep 22

Star Trek: The Compendium Review
By: T'Bonz on Sep 22

Orci Drops Rangers Project
By: T'Bonz on Sep 22

Retro Review: Image in the Sand
By: Michelle on Sep 20

Star Trek: Shadows Of Tyranny Casting Call
By: T'Bonz on Sep 19

USS Vengeance And More Starship Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Sep 19

Trek 3 To Being Shooting Next Year
By: T'Bonz on Sep 19

Trek Messenger Bag
By: T'Bonz on Sep 18

Star Trek Live In Concert In Australia
By: T'Bonz on Sep 18

IDW Publishing December Trek Comics
By: T'Bonz on Sep 17


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek TV Series > The Next Generation

The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old January 18 2013, 03:09 PM   #31
indolover
Fleet Captain
 
Re: Geordi's Authority

A doctor cannot take lead in a crisis, rank notwithstanding. Worf over Geordi made sense due to the fact that somebody had to man the engines.
indolover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 18 2013, 04:18 PM   #32
USS KG5
Vice Admiral
 
USS KG5's Avatar
 
Location: England's green and pleasant land.
Re: Geordi's Authority

indolover wrote: View Post
A doctor cannot take lead in a crisis, rank notwithstanding.
Apparently she can, see "Descent". She might not be first choice, and ranks below all the regular senior officers in the line of command, but Bev seems to be considered more suitable for the command than dozens of Lt. and even Lt. Cmdr. officers who are wandering around the Enterprise!

Of course the real reason is she is a regular character, and it is a TV show, but we are just messing!

Worf over Geordi made sense due to the fact that somebody had to man the engines.
Someone needed to man tactical as well, but it is fair to assume Worf was more disposable than Geordi. Geordi must be a very nice guy though because in his place, I'd be pissed at being passed over for a mere Lt.
__________________
I believe in a better world, so I love Star Trek. I have to live in this one, so I love Battlestar Galactica.
USS KG5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 20 2013, 01:08 PM   #33
Timo
Admiral
 
Re: Geordi's Authority

Data and Geordi are of course equal in rank from season three onwards.
In real military hierarchies, the one reaching that rank earlier would have very clear-cut authority over the one reaching it later. That is, if the explicit need arose for one to have authority over the other. But the LaForge/Data relationship (professional or personal) never ran into issues where Data's hierarchical superiority would have been of relevance.

Bev seems to be considered more suitable for the command than dozens of Lt. and even Lt. Cmdr. officers who are wandering around the Enterprise!
In that particular incident, the competition supposedly wasn't aboard the ship; the highest-ranking person was a mustard-shirted Lieutenant.

Of course, Crusher wasn't assigned to stay aboard the ship because she would have been particularly valuable there; she was ordered to stay there because Picard didn't want her down on the planet, where the away teams faced the hopeless task of locating a needle in a haystack and then protecting themselves from its sharp stings while deprived of the usual technological support of an orbiting starship. Picard was rather clever to assign Crusher a duty that would make it impossible for her to depart the ship (without facing court martial); merely leaving her as the CMO would have left open the possibility that she would send herself down on a medical errand.

It was incredibly forced and tactically unsound, but it sort of made character-continuity sense.

Timo Saloniemi
Timo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old January 21 2013, 05:01 AM   #34
DanCPA
Admiral
 
DanCPA's Avatar
 
Location: TrekBBS C/O 2001
Send a message via AIM to DanCPA Send a message via Yahoo to DanCPA
Re: Geordi's Authority

LaForge, like all other department heads, commands in all aspects relating to his department. He reports to Riker. Data and Worf also report to Riker.
__________________
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference -
DanCPA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25 2013, 06:13 AM   #35
Vanyel
The Imperious Leader
 
Vanyel's Avatar
 
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Geordi's Authority

I kind of thought that as long as Picard and Riker were aboard Geordi had near total control of Engineering, and Data while in Engineering would be under Geordi's command. But if either Picard or Riker were off ship, Data position is Acting First Officer and makes his position higher than Geordi's.
__________________
Imogene, get serious! Who do you think you're talking to?! I've known you for 27 years, and all I can say is, if God was giving out sexually transmitted diseases to people as a punishment for sinning, then you would be at the free clinic all the time! And so would the rest of us!
--Julia Sugarbaker
Vanyel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25 2013, 10:42 AM   #36
Nightdiamond
Fleet Captain
 
Nightdiamond's Avatar
 
Location: California
Re: Geordi's Authority

I usually tend to think that Geordi is supposed to get command when Riker or Data isn't there.

But now, I'm beginning to think that Worf is the one they went to when they needed someone to take command if Data wasn't there.

In Genesis, when the crew is afflicted with the virus, it looks like Geordi, because he's asking Riker if he should order the ship to go to a higher security level.

The other is in Descent where you see Geordi sitting in the spot Crusher usually sits in.

But in those two cases Worf isn't available for some reason.

In Gambit, when Worf is there, he is automatically made the acting first officer by Data.

Last edited by Nightdiamond; January 25 2013 at 11:06 AM.
Nightdiamond is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25 2013, 11:03 AM   #37
Retu
Lieutenant Commander
 
Location: Finland
Re: Geordi's Authority

Nightdiamond wrote: View Post
I usually tend to think that Geordi is supposed to get command when Riker or Data isn't there.

But now, I'm beginning to think that Worf is the one they went to when they needed someone to take command after Data was gone.

In Genesis, when the crew is afflicted with the virus, it looks like Geordi, because he's asking Riker if he should order the ship to go to a higher security level.

The other is in Descent where you see Geordi sitting in the spot Crusher usually sits in.

But in those two cases Worf isn't available for some reason.

In Gambit, when Worf is there, he is automatically made the acting first officer by Data.
Also, in The Most Toys, Worf is the replacement OPS officer after Data is presumed to be dead.
__________________
"God runs electromagnetics by wave theory on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday,
and the Devil runs them by quantum theory on Tuesday, Thursday, and
Saturday."
-Sir William Bragg
Retu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25 2013, 11:28 AM   #38
Nightdiamond
Fleet Captain
 
Nightdiamond's Avatar
 
Location: California
Re: Geordi's Authority

Retu wrote: View Post

Also, in The Most Toys, Worf is the replacement OPS officer after Data is presumed to be dead.
True-- Troi called it a 'promotion' too, which would have put him right in the command track. In a way it makes sense since Worf was a bridge officer full time.

In some ways it doesn't, because early in the show it was stated Geordi had more experience.

Strangely, Geordi was the go-to guy if the top three were off the bridge during the first season.

Then after he got his two promotions, he wasn't left in command once AFIK-- it was either Worf or some other junior officer.
Nightdiamond is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25 2013, 02:34 PM   #39
rahullak
Fleet Captain
 
rahullak's Avatar
 
Location: India
Re: Geordi's Authority

I think that Data follows Geordi's orders in Engineering only when Data is carrying out Engineering related tasks, of which Geordi is the expert and commander.

Also, other commanding officers such as Picard, Riker and visiting ranking officers would have complete authority over Geordi over the larger decisions that need to be taken, while leaving the minutiae to him.
rahullak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25 2013, 07:06 PM   #40
LobsterAfternoon
Commander
 
LobsterAfternoon's Avatar
 
Re: Geordi's Authority

Not sure if anyone has addressed this, but does Data have command responsibilities when Picard/Riker are on the ship and on-duty or does his "second officer hat" so to speak, only get used when those two are not on-board/on-duty?
LobsterAfternoon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25 2013, 10:19 PM   #41
Nightdiamond
Fleet Captain
 
Nightdiamond's Avatar
 
Location: California
Re: Geordi's Authority

LobsterAfternoon wrote: View Post
Not sure if anyone has addressed this, but does Data have command responsibilities when Picard/Riker are on the ship and on-duty or does his "second officer hat" so to speak, only get used when those two are not on-board/on-duty?
I saw where he had the authority to confine a crewman to quarters or to order security take someone into custody--and this was when Picard and Riker on duty.

As with the visiting officers, I noticed that Cmder Shelby had the same rank as Data, but she was giving Data orders even though he's the ship second officer.

Shelby wore the red uniform that kind of suggested she had automatic authority or something.
Nightdiamond is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 26 2013, 12:45 AM   #42
C.E. Evans
Vice Admiral
 
C.E. Evans's Avatar
 
Location: Saint Louis (aka Defiance)
Re: Geordi's Authority

Shelby's authority was backed by Admiral Hanson, IIRC. She was more or less there to lead the initial investigation of what happened at Jouret IV for Starfleet Tactical.

As far as Data filling when Picard and Riker aren't present, we saw a little of that in "Data's Day" when Data was in charge of the ship's graveyard shift.
__________________
"Everybody wants to rule the world..."
C.E. Evans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 26 2013, 10:46 AM   #43
USS KG5
Vice Admiral
 
USS KG5's Avatar
 
Location: England's green and pleasant land.
Re: Geordi's Authority

Nightdiamond wrote: View Post
As with the visiting officers, I noticed that Cmder Shelby had the same rank as Data, but she was giving Data orders even though he's the ship second officer.

Shelby wore the red uniform that kind of suggested she had automatic authority or something.
Again it is her position, not rank. She was essentially inserted into the command crew by Hansen, and seems to report directly to Riker.

That said, it never comes to a crunch during the episode, it is quite likely Data would have listened to an Ensign Shelby at that point, nothing to lose!
__________________
I believe in a better world, so I love Star Trek. I have to live in this one, so I love Battlestar Galactica.
USS KG5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 26 2013, 12:18 PM   #44
Melakon
Vice Admiral
 
Melakon's Avatar
 
Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos
Re: Geordi's Authority

Data rarely pulled rank, too.

I seem to recall Picard in engineering once, with Geordi giving him instructions on how to do something. Maybe I'm mistaken. And it wasn't "Tapestry".
__________________
Curly: If at first you don't succeed, keep on suckin' til you do succeed.
--Movie Maniacs (1936)
Melakon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old January 26 2013, 10:45 PM   #45
Nightdiamond
Fleet Captain
 
Nightdiamond's Avatar
 
Location: California
Re: Geordi's Authority

So far it seems that rank, division, position, and posting all have to do with who gets command and when.

You'd think they would clash, but they don't, at least most of the time.

When Riker got promoted to captain, he actually considered Worf for the position of first officer, before he even considered Data.

As second officer, it would be assumed that Data would automatically get the first officer position since it's like he's a first officer in training.

Riker totally skips this idea and considers promoting others.
Nightdiamond is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:36 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.