RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,062
Posts: 5,397,585
Members: 24,735
Currently online: 465
Newest member: phurren

TrekToday headlines

Two New Starship Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Aug 26

Trek Actor Wins Emmy
By: T'Bonz on Aug 26

Trek Retro Watches
By: T'Bonz on Aug 26

New DS9 eBook To Debut
By: T'Bonz on Aug 25

Trek Ice Cube Maker and Shot Glasses
By: T'Bonz on Aug 25

City on the Edge of Forever #3 Preview
By: T'Bonz on Aug 25

TV Alert: Shatner TNG Documentary
By: T'Bonz on Aug 25

Forbes Cast In Powers
By: T'Bonz on Aug 22

Dorn To Voice Firefly Character
By: T'Bonz on Aug 22

No ALS Ice Bucket For Saldana
By: T'Bonz on Aug 22


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > TV & Media

TV & Media Non-Trek television, movies, books, music, etc.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old January 22 2013, 10:11 PM   #1
Locutus of Bored
A Certain Point of View
 
Locutus of Bored's Avatar
 
Location: The Force
The Following Kevin Bacon Kevin Williamson S1 Discussion SPOILERS



The Following is an American television drama series starring Kevin Bacon and created by Kevin Williamson (Scream films, The Vampire Diaries). It premiered January 21, 2013 on Fox. It also stars James Purefoy (Rome) and Natalie Zea (Justified).

In Entertainment Weekly, features TV writer Melissa Maerz wrote in a preview article, "Purefoy plays Joe Carroll, a former college professor who taught the works of Poe and killed young women in the gothic hero's honor—until he got caught. Since then he's been spending hours on a computer in the prison library, building a social network of copycat killers who hang on his every command. When the series begins, he's just escaped from death row with help from those followers, and the FBI calls in former agent Ryan Hardy (Bacon)—who brought down Joe the first time—to consult on the case." Natalie Zea plays the woman both Hardy and Carroll love.
  • Kevin Bacon as Ryan Hardy, a former FBI agent who retires on disability after catching Joe Carroll. Hardy is called back to service when Carroll escapes from prison.
  • James Purefoy as Joe Carroll, a professor of English literature and a serial killer. While in prison, Carroll forms a cult of followers online, before escaping from prison to execute a plan of revenge focused on Hardy.
  • Natalie Zea as Claire Matthews, Joe Carroll's ex-wife, who also had a relationship with Ryan Hardy.
  • Shawn Ashmore as Mike Weston, a young FBI agent whose hero is Ryan Hardy. Weston makes a study of Joe Carroll while in training, and is the team's expert on the case.
  • Maggie Grace as Dr. Sarah Fuller, the only survivor of an attack by Joe Carroll, when she is rescued by Ryan Hardy.
  • Nico Tortorella a Will Wilson
  • Jeananne Goossen as FBI agent Jennifer Mason
  • Valorie Curry as Denise
  • Adan Canto as Billy Thomas
  • Kyle Catlett as Joey Matthews
  • Annie Parisse as Debra Parker, an FBI specialist on cult behavior, called in to head the investigation of Carroll and his cult.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Following
My review is only mildly spoilery and involves only the details of the set-up to the ongoing events of the series in case other haven't seen it yet, but please feel free to use spoilers from now on while discussing the show.

This aired last night in the US and Canada, and airs tonight in the UK and at various times in the next few weeks in the rest of Europe and elsewhere.

I've been looking forward to seeing this ever since watching the previews and reading the positive reviews, and it didn't disappoint. The show is certainly not for children or the faint of heart, however, as it is extremely gruesome and violent and genuinely scary in parts, the latter of which is rarely achieved on television or even most horror films, where the outcome is usually so predictable you rarely are shocked by anything that happens. It's not a procedural in the vein of the CSIs or Bones where an equally gruesome murder will be surrounded by goofy dialogue and character moments; the show is (at least during the pilot) pretty relentlessly dark, disturbing, and humorless. This is more in the style and tone of Silence of the Lambs and Seven, and while I mean that in a good way, it's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. It has the all the self-awareness, inside references, and lampshade hanging of Williamson's Scream series minus the humor (though the inside references are literary --Edgar Allan Poe-- this time rather than horror films), and in a fantastic sit-down between the primary protagonist and antagonist, Carroll basically spells out to Hardy that they're writing the sequel to their original thriller together.

The casting and production values of the show are exceptional, and raise the bar above most other TV dramas. Bacon gives an outstanding beat-down and on the ragged edge performance as Hardy, who seems very much inspired by Will Graham from Thomas Harris' Red Dragon (adapted as Manhunter and the later Red Dragon), especially in his backstory and ongoing consulting with while simultaneously outsmarting each other relationship with the sophisticated Lector-esque killer. Carroll stabbed Hardy as Hardy was rescuing a potential victim (Maggie Grace) nearly a decade go, and Bacon shot and captured Carroll, but needs a pacemaker to survive now. Hopefully the weakness during any exertion or stress that his heart condition causes Hardy is not something that will be forgotten after the pilot. Purefoy is pure evil with none of the pretense of making us try to sympathize with him or understand his motives many other shows attempt, but it's easy to see why someone would be compelled to admire or follow such a charismatic figure if they were disturbed; so it's not difficult to believe he could start a Manson Family-like cult following, even if his method of doing so online while behind bars stretches credibility a bit. Natalie Zea from Justified does a great job as Carroll's ex-wife, a fellow professor who had a relationship with Hardy during the search for or after Carroll was caught and may have fathered a child with Hardy or Carroll (it's briefly implied that Carroll is the father, and I don't know why you'd tell your son that a serial killer is his father if he wasn't, but I have a feeling given his age that his parentage will come into question later). Maggie Grace as Carroll's only surviving victim manages to be sympathetic and not annoying like she was in Lost or Taken. She's Carroll's unfinished business, much like Poe's The Light-House, and Carroll escapes from prison in an attempt to finish what he started with her and begin a new game with the washed up Hardy. And Shawn Ashmore gives a chilling performance as Iceman, trying to stop Bacon's Sebastian Shaw from creating a mutant empire in the ruins of a human apocalypse (sorry, I've got nothing -- he did a good job as an FBI profiler and fawning expert on both Carroll and Hardy).

I've left the major spoilers out of my review, but I will say that there were three pretty big "holy crap!" moments in the show, both from being immediately frightening and dramatically shocking in a "I can't believe they did that" sort of way (in one case). Like I said before, when they're searching some dark rooms, there are some genuinely scary moments, which is pretty impressive since you know something is coming but still don't quite expect the way it happens. I highly recommend the show for people who don't have a problem with a dark and rather depressing story that still manages to be dramatically compelling and interesting. But I wouldn't recommend it for people expecting a CBS-style procedural with humor mixed in with the darkness. If it maintains the tone of the pilot, it's going to go to some pretty dark places, both literally and figuratively.

This was one of the better TV series pilots I've seen in a long time. I give the pilot episode an "A" and look forward to seeing where the series goes from here.
__________________
My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Locutus of Bored is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 22 2013, 11:59 PM   #2
Temis the Vorta
Fleet Admiral
 
Temis the Vorta's Avatar
 
Location: Tatoinne
Re: The Following Kevin Bacon Kevin Williamson S1 Discussion SPOILERS

Thanks for the recommendation, I'll add it to my netflix queue. Should see it in oh about a year.
Temis the Vorta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2013, 12:12 AM   #3
auntiehill
Fleet Admiral
 
auntiehill's Avatar
 
Location: geeksville
Re: The Following Kevin Bacon Kevin Williamson S1 Discussion SPOILERS

I enjoyed the pilot very much, too, Locutus. I'm definitely going to give this series a try. The performances were all very good and the characters are certainly compelling.
auntiehill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2013, 12:13 AM   #4
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: The Following Kevin Bacon Kevin Williamson S1 Discussion SPOILERS

I thought it was shit.

Nothing reasonable happened.

Nothing sensible happened.

Nothing Horrific happened.

Nothing logical happened.

So much exposition to explain back stories we don't need yet.

Pace yourself.

Meh?
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is online now   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2013, 01:49 AM   #5
stj
Rear Admiral
 
stj's Avatar
 
Location: the real world
Re: The Following Kevin Bacon Kevin Williamson S1 Discussion SPOILERS

Yet another villain whose plan is to get captured. I'm so past being able to accept that one it's not funny. I'm going to try the second pilot, i.e., the first regular series episode. Purefoy doesn't convince us that he's smart enough to plan this crap. And since he's apparently just going to rant and emote at Kevin Bacon, the show is going to rise or fall on its temp characters, the titular Following, the Carroll cultists. If they're believable and interesting, the show might overcome its bloodlust. The gore is a turnoff, it's not entertaining.
__________________
The people of this country need regime change here, not abroad.
stj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2013, 02:51 AM   #6
DarthPipes
Rear Admiral
 
DarthPipes's Avatar
 
Re: The Following Kevin Bacon Kevin Williamson S1 Discussion SPOILERS

I enjoyed the pilot too very much. I'll definitely keep watching.
DarthPipes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2013, 05:59 PM   #7
Savage Dragon
TheSeeker
 
Savage Dragon's Avatar
 
Location: New York, NY
Re: The Following Kevin Bacon Kevin Williamson S1 Discussion SPOILERS

Watched it last night and thought it was petty good. I'll keep watching for now.
Savage Dragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2013, 10:35 PM   #8
Borgminister
Moderator
 
Location: California
Re: The Following Kevin Bacon Kevin Williamson S1 Discussion SPOILERS

Wanted to really like it, but came away a bit underwhelmed, frankly. I will give it a few more watches but the premise is rather thin right now, and other than shock value, I'm not sure what could make it more intriguing. There's going to be absolutely nothing about the villain that's redeemable, or about his followers. Pretty rote and two-dimensional to my eyes, unlike say Dexter, which for whatever it's flaws, has an interesting psychological premise.
Borgminister is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2013, 11:53 PM   #9
bigdaddy
Vice Admiral
 
Location: Space Massachusetts
Re: The Following Kevin Bacon Kevin Williamson S1 Discussion SPOILERS

I liked it even if the beginning escape scene was silly. I'll continue watching.

My mom even liked it... kind of. "I enjoyed it, but I don't really like the people who follow his orders."

I'm like "That's the point of the show, it's called The Following".

I'm looking into nursing homes now.
__________________
The powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse.
bigdaddy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old January 24 2013, 12:46 AM   #10
Temis the Vorta
Fleet Admiral
 
Temis the Vorta's Avatar
 
Location: Tatoinne
Re: The Following Kevin Bacon Kevin Williamson S1 Discussion SPOILERS

BTW, I've been avoiding spoilers for the new movie but every time I see Locutus' av, I get scared all over again that JJ Abrams plana to resurrect the Borg.
Temis the Vorta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 24 2013, 01:26 AM   #11
Starbreaker
Fleet Admiral
 
Starbreaker's Avatar
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
View Starbreaker's Twitter Profile
Re: The Following Kevin Bacon Kevin Williamson S1 Discussion SPOILERS

I thought it was ok. I watch a lot of crime dramas, and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by this. For something that's been getting a lot of press and has Kevin Bacon, I just expected a lot more.
Starbreaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 24 2013, 01:38 AM   #12
sojourner
Admiral
 
sojourner's Avatar
 
Location: I'm at WKRP
Re: The Following Kevin Bacon Kevin Williamson S1 Discussion SPOILERS

I think it could have benefited from being 2 hours instead of one. Give more time for the premise to develop. Still, not bad.

The one thing I think was sorely missing was what set Carroll off to start killing to begin with.
__________________
Baby, you and me were never meant to be, just maybe think of me once in a while...
sojourner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 24 2013, 06:15 AM   #13
chardman
Vice Admiral
 
chardman's Avatar
 
Location: The home of GenCon
View chardman's Twitter Profile
Re: The Following Kevin Bacon Kevin Williamson S1 Discussion SPOILERS

Thought it was great, but not sure how long they could maintain this single storyline. I mean, it would be great for a limited run series, but an ongoing series?

No way.

It would be one thing if the plot involving Purefoy's character was simply a recurring sub-plot, like Patrick Jane's pursuit of Red John, or the like, interspersed with otherwise unrelated stand-alone eps, but with Purefoy listed as a series regular, that's apparently not going to be the case. He's clearly going to be Bacon's prime adversary in virtually every freakin' episode, and I see that wearing thin pretty damn quick.
__________________
If Ronald Reagan hadn't cut Mental Health funding to the bone, most of today's GOP & Tea Party candidates wouldn't be walking around loose.
chardman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 24 2013, 05:46 PM   #14
bigdaddy
Vice Admiral
 
Location: Space Massachusetts
Re: The Following Kevin Bacon Kevin Williamson S1 Discussion SPOILERS

sojourner wrote: View Post
I think it could have benefited from being 2 hours instead of one. Give more time for the premise to develop. Still, not bad.

The one thing I think was sorely missing was what set Carroll off to start killing to begin with.

Yeah because we always knows why a killer kills right away. That wouldn't even be realistic.
__________________
The powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse.
bigdaddy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old January 24 2013, 08:14 PM   #15
sojourner
Admiral
 
sojourner's Avatar
 
Location: I'm at WKRP
Re: The Following Kevin Bacon Kevin Williamson S1 Discussion SPOILERS

bigdaddy wrote: View Post
sojourner wrote: View Post
I think it could have benefited from being 2 hours instead of one. Give more time for the premise to develop. Still, not bad.

The one thing I think was sorely missing was what set Carroll off to start killing to begin with.

Yeah because we always knows why a killer kills right away. That wouldn't even be realistic.
Um, it's been 8 years since he started killing. Ryan Hardy (Bacon's character) wrote a book about the guy. I think it would have been very realistic considering it goes to motivation for what he's doing now.
__________________
Baby, you and me were never meant to be, just maybe think of me once in a while...
sojourner is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
fox, kevin bacon, kevin williamson, serial killer, the following, thriller

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:22 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.