Uhura replacing McCoy/Bones?

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Then you're watching the wrong franchise altogether. The history of Star Trek is rife with unbelievable character behavior.

[middyseafort]

My Name Is Legion wrote:

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Then you're watching the wrong franchise altogether. The history of Star Trek is rife with unbelievable character behavior.

QFT. Some episodes hinge on it.

[Pauln6]

Lol - Nitpicker's guides to Trek are hilarious. For the record I really enjoyed the movie despite a few nitpicks but I also enjoy poking fun at the nitpicks.

Let's not forget that one of our favourite movies could have been very different if Kirk had had the common sense to raise shields or if Khan had seen through Spock's cunning ruse that hours could seem like days (wow Spock is sharp). :P

[Franklin]

My Name Is Legion wrote:

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Then you're watching the wrong franchise altogether. The history of Star Trek is rife with unbelievable character behavior.

This is true. And, it will especially happen in a TV series (cripes, look at the inconsistencies in the characters in M*A*S*H, and that's a TV classic). With many writers submitting stories, or strict shooting times when a script has to be let go before it's as polished as it could be, some unbelievable character behavior across stories has to be forgiven as the nature of the beast.

The problem for me is when within a story, a writer has obviously written himself into a corner, and the only way out is to have a character do something completely unbelievable for that character or situation.

Pauln6 wrote:

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Lol - Nitpicker's guides to Trek are hilarious. For the record I really enjoyed the movie despite a few nitpicks but I also enjoy poking fun at the nitpicks.

Let's not forget that one of our favourite movies could have been very different if Kirk had had the common sense to raise shields or if Khan had seen through Spock's cunning ruse that hours could seem like days (wow Spock is sharp). :P

Just to be devil's advocate (and kind of prove your point about being able to pick these nits forever):

About Kirk: Kirk admitted his lapse of judgement in the movie. It was a failure to do the routine. But was it out of character or unbelievable? Well, there is some arrogance and hubris in Kirk. And, Kirk seldom follows routine. I think that scene actually pointed out Kirk's flaw quite well.

About Khan: Khan may be superintelligent, but maybe he lacks the common sense to see the simplicity of Spock's ruse (intelligence and common sense do not always go together). And, there is arrogance and hubris in Khan, too. Plus, he was target-fixated on Kirk, so it's hard to say how clearly he was thinking about every little detail. I'd also say that as the movie went on, he was slipping into madness.

[Kosh Naranek]

Sindatur wrote:

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I guess they do it for added tension, 'cause they know you're sitting there, "Hurry up, do "x" you moron, or the "y" is gonna "z". There's time for that mushy stuff when you're actually safe"

I just watched an ep of Who where the Dr. yells at Martha that they should not waste time hugging. Their "I am glad you are alive hug" gave the Daleks an advantage. Loved it.

[Pauln6]

Kosh Naranek wrote:

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I just watched an ep of Who where the Dr. yells at Martha that they should not waste time hugging. Their "I am glad you are alive hug" gave the Daleks an advantage. Loved it.

Yes! What's with all the hugging? Dr Who never used to hug his assistants all the time and that was when the stories were twice as long. Stop wasting time hugging and tell us a decent story.

However, I can get on board with running up and down corridors and/or quarries. That's the true spirit of Dr Who!

[LobsterAfternoon]

I like McCoy.

[Anji]

I think it is too early to say if this Uhura switching out McCoy is true. We've only seen one Abrams script.

[Cake]

I think there were only two leads in the last movie and that were Kirk and Spock. McCoy and Uhura were on the same level behind them. We will see, how it is in the next movie. As I really like McCoy, I hope his role isn't getting smaller.

I don't mind it in itself, that Uhura got more screentime, just how it was used. It just feels so cliche, that the only significant female character spent a large amount of her screentime being the love interest of the two main male characters.

And there were only three other halfway memorable female characters in the movie, Winona, Amanda and Gaila. Winona and Amanda were defined solely as wives and mothers before they were killed off. And Gaila was mainly seen in bed with Kirk and later she probably died off screen.

If there would have been other female characters, who don't spend a large degree or all of their screentime being the girlfriend/wife/mother of a male character, then a few female characters with traditional female roles wouldn't have been a problem for me.

Maybe there will be female characters in the next movie, who don't sleep with Kirk or Spock or are related to one of them, which would be an improvement.

I know Carol Marcus will be in Into Darkness and that she will be the love interest of Kirk. I really hope the love interest part will be small and most of her screentime will be dedicated to something non romantic.

Dale Sams wrote:

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Hopefully in the next movie, we won't see the XO and the Comm officer making out in front of the Captain while he taps his foot and whistles waiting for them to get their tongues out of each others mouth

teacake wrote:

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And now in the next movie they will be snogging all over the damn ship!!!

In the Super Bowl commercial they kiss again in front of others. It looks like some redshirts. Not sure, if it is on the Enterprise and if Kirk is around, too.

[Pauln6]

Cake wrote:

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I think there were only two leads in the last movie and that were Kirk and Spock. McCoy and Uhura were on the same level behind them. We will see, how it is in the next movie. As I really like McCoy, I hope his role isn't getting smaller.

I don't mind it in itself, that Uhura got more screentime, just how it was used. It just feels so cliche, that the only significant female character spent a large amount or her screentime being the love interest of the two main male characters.

And there were only three other halfway memorable female characters in the movie, Winona, Amanda and Gaila. Winona and Amanda were defined solely as wives and mothers before they were killed off. And Gaila was mainly seen in bed with Kirk and later she probably died off screen.

If there would have been other female characters, who don't spend a large degree or all of their screentime being the girlfriend/wife/mother of a male character, then a few female characters with traditional female roles wouldn't have been a problem for me.

They definitely missed a trick by leaving out Number One and T'Pau from a plot where they could easily have been incorporated. We ended up with a 21st century interpretation that was more sexist than the 60s source material, which shocking and disheartening.

I've banged on quite a bit that they could have utilised Rand as a security guard to modernise her and expand the role of the women. I would have preferred it if Kirk had been beamed with a security escort to Delta Vega so that his encounter with Spock was not so ludicrously coincidental, we could have Kirk pleading with Rand to trust him, cementing her loyalty to him, and the snow beast could have been used while going outside to upgrade Scotty's equipment to beam onto a (much closer - since Kirk hasn't wasted a day trekking across the snow) ship at warp.

This also overcomes the lack of logic in using an escape capsule that might well be needed later on. Scotty should have picked up Kirk's emergency beacon and beamed him to the base, delaying his rescue by mere minutes. We don't know why that didn't happen but Spock certainly could not have predicted it. It was a petulant waste of resources.

[The Mirrorball Man]

Pauln6 wrote:

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I've banged on quite a bit that they could have utilised Rand as a security guard to modernise her and expand the role of the women. I would have preferred it if Kirk had been beamed with a security escort to Delta Vega so that his encounter with Spock was not so ludicrously coincidental, we could have Kirk pleading with Rand to trust him, cementing her loyalty to him, and the snow beast could have been used while going outside to upgrade Scotty's equipment to beam onto a (much closer - since Kirk hasn't wasted a day trekking across the snow) ship at warp.

And Led Zeppelin could have used more banjo on Physical Graffiti, but they did not, and wether that would have improved the quality of the album is therefore conjectural.

[Bry_Sinclair]

I hope not. Nu-Uhura is awful.

[The Mirrorball Man]

Bry_Sinclair wrote:

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I hope not. Nu-Uhura is awful.

I'm sure it would be more interesting if you took the time to elaborate a little more. The new version of Uhura is a fully realized character, which she had never been before.

[Pauln6]

The Mirrorball Man wrote:

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And Led Zeppelin could have used more banjo on Physical Graffiti, but they did not, and wether that would have improved the quality of the album is therefore conjectural.

Conjecture is the bread and butter of any forum.

For my part, the sexism of the movie was annoying and making it less sexist would have been a plus. For my part some of the behaviour and coincidences were a bit too clumsy so making them less clumsy would have been a plus.

Those people who did not even care or notice may not think that changes to the movie would have been in any way better but the win would be if they did not think that it was any worse.

For example, I have yet to come across anybody who is of the view that Star Trek isn't sexist enough...

[The Mirrorball Man]

Pauln6 wrote:

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Conjecture is the bread and butter of any forum.

True, but there's a point where it becomes "please comment on this fanfic I just wrote".

For my part, the sexism of the movie was annoying and making it less sexist would have been a plus. For my part some of the behaviour and coincidences were a bit too clumsy so making them less clumsy would have been a plus.

That I can agree with, although I didn't find Star Trek any more sexist than most popcorn movies, i.e. it was a little bit sexist. There are so many examples of actual, tangible sexism all around us that I can't conjure the strength to be up in arms just because Uhura spent some of her screen time as one of the main characters' love interest.