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Old January 24 2013, 12:12 AM   #91
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If the writers wanted to get the message across that someone is a book expert, they would name the character "Liberace" not cast Liberace in the role.
Any more than they would purposefully cast famed Attorney MELVIN BELLI, The King of Torts, to play the Gorgon in 'And The Children Shall Lead?
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A LAWYER playing a LAIR?

Tricky thing about those "Stone-age" STAR TREK writers, you have to look all around. Sometimes the clues are in what the characters say, and sometimes in what they do (being two things which do not always work in concert), and sometimes you just have to think real hard about the effort that went into to trying to get you to think for yourself.
Yes, because Belli would love to appear in a role the plays into the demeaning stereotypes of his profession.

Obviously Memory Alpha has been fooled by some clever deception, no doubt instigated by a lawyer.
PLEASE do some research if you have no idea about what Melvin Belli was all about,... he passionately fought against corruption in all forms, but especially against corrupt businesses which put forth faulty products to the UNSUSPECTING & TRUSTING.

His dedication to save the innocent from evil businesses and their CORRUPT LAWYERS (Research Dow, Breast Implants, and Belli) killed him financially.

Has nothing to do with lampooning stereo-types, it was what the man was all about if YOU dig into the facts.

Strike two.
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Old January 24 2013, 12:20 AM   #92
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Any more than they would purposefully cast famed Attorney MELVIN BELLI, The King of Torts, to play the Gorgon in 'And The Children Shall Lead?
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A LAWYER playing a LAIR?

Tricky thing about those "Stone-age" STAR TREK writers, you have to look all around. Sometimes the clues are in what the characters say, and sometimes in what they do (being two things which do not always work in concert), and sometimes you just have to think real hard about the effort that went into to trying to get you to think for yourself.
Yes, because Belli would love to appear in a role the plays into the demeaning stereotypes of his profession.

Obviously Memory Alpha has been fooled by some clever deception, no doubt instigated by a lawyer.
PLEASE do some research if you have no idea about what Melvin Belli was all about,... he passionately fought against corruption in all forms, but especially against corrupt businesses which put forth faulty products to the UNSUSPECTING & TRUSTING.

His dedication to save the innocent from evil businesses and their CORRUPT LAWYERS (Research Dow, Breast Implants, and Belli) killed him financially.

Has nothing to do with lampooning stereo-types, it was what the man was all about if YOU dig into the facts.

Strike two.
Couldn't be stunt casting by the producers, or a father having some fun appearing with his son...
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Old January 24 2013, 12:35 AM   #93
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Any more than they would purposefully cast famed Attorney MELVIN BELLI, The King of Torts, to play the Gorgon in 'And The Children Shall Lead?
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A LAWYER playing a LAIR?

Tricky thing about those "Stone-age" STAR TREK writers, you have to look all around. Sometimes the clues are in what the characters say, and sometimes in what they do (being two things which do not always work in concert), and sometimes you just have to think real hard about the effort that went into to trying to get you to think for yourself.
Yes, because Belli would love to appear in a role the plays into the demeaning stereotypes of his profession.

Obviously Memory Alpha has been fooled by some clever deception, no doubt instigated by a lawyer.
PLEASE do some research if you have no idea about what Melvin Belli was all about,... he passionately fought against corruption in all forms, but especially against corrupt businesses which put forth faulty products to the UNSUSPECTING & TRUSTING.

His dedication to save the innocent from evil businesses and their CORRUPT LAWYERS (Research Dow, Breast Implants, and Belli) killed him financially.

Has nothing to do with lampooning stereo-types, it was what the man was all about if YOU dig into the facts.

Strike two.
Who Belli is and what he's done isn't really what's being discussed. We seem to have a pretty clear idea, put forth by people who were there, as to why he was cast.

Casting Belli as a corrupter and manipulator of children with nefarious plans to conquer the universe is an odd way to send a subliminal message about lawyers.
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Old January 24 2013, 12:42 AM   #94
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When I saw it in first run, I thought WTF is he doing on this show.
That was the intended thought which was to be raised, and jump-start brains into action - but just as in the title MIRROR, MIRROR,... how many completed the question, and sought the answer.

Too few,.. and here were are today - as predicted.

Good cover story that Stunt Casting with the son,.. "Social criticism???,.. no veiled social criticism here,.. why writers only do that with Science Fiction stories."
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Old January 24 2013, 01:04 AM   #95
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Whatever happened to the original intent of this thread, which has been completely off the rails for the last five days?
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Old January 24 2013, 01:11 AM   #96
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Hanging with Lazarus.
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Old January 24 2013, 01:33 AM   #97
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"Captain, look out! AAAAHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhh!"

*splat*
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Old January 24 2013, 01:38 AM   #98
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Casting Belli as a corrupter and manipulator of children with nefarious plans to conquer the universe is an odd way to send a subliminal message about lawyers.
To quote: "Fascinating,.. absolutely fascinating."

The hidden WARNING is about who is leading your world,.. again, it is ALLEGORY & PARALLELISM, the tools of Science Fiction writers who want to comment on society, and the future of mankind.

The so-called 'Children' are the innocent, trusting, up-and-coming society-at-large. The so-called 'message' is a veiled WARNING to those children about their future IF they buy into the corruption and lies, and allow themselves to be lead by fpr example,...... Lying Litagators (Perhaps you were not aware that most senators and many congress members are Lawyers too -but they have NO corruption or lies???) The so-called 'Universe' is simply a macro-example of our world.

"Turn the Telescope back around".

And again, those STAR TREK writers ended up right on the money,.... or perhaps you do not live on Earth in 2013?

Or, just follow the spoon fed cover stories, do no thinking, and simply accept the titles, anomalies in ship & character names, terms, character actions, and other inconsistencies only exist by accident, laziness, and coincidence.

And jump on the band-wagon and trumpet about what a bad episode this one is.

Again, anytime something on TOS seems out of place on these shows, is the first place you want to dig,.. it is a trail of bread crumbs leading you to the truth of what the writers were actually trying to say while avoiding the CONTROL AND SUPPRESSION OF THE CENSORS.

And actually see the GORGON for what it is , and what the actual point of telling this story is all about - by thinking it through, doing the research for yourself, not buying into the easy 'cover story', or being distracted by the rubber monster,...and asking the questions when the "What the heck_____" moments appear; again, they are guide posts left behind.

Strike three.
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Old January 24 2013, 01:46 AM   #99
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Sorry, Captain. I just can't buy that Edward J. Lakso had those themes in mind when writing the episode. Or that Freddie F had any of that in mind when asking Belli to take the role. I'm sure there are all sorts of ideas and messages in the episode, just not those.
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Old January 24 2013, 01:51 AM   #100
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What? Subtextual reading is subjective? I am shocked, shocked...
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Old January 24 2013, 02:06 AM   #101
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Sorry, Captain. I just can't buy that Edward J. Lakso had those themes in mind when writing the episode. Or that Freddie F had any of that in mind when asking Belli to take the role. I'm sure there are all sorts of ideas and messages in the episode, just not those.
And that is your opinion, and your personal right to hold that opinion - as long as that right is still yours - and has not been litigated away,on your behalf, by your Leaders.

So enjoy that freedom fully, while it lasts,... and just for fun, check out the episode - or any of the others that have been mentioned - and try not to sell those "Olde Tyme" writers so short,.. they might just be more clever than you are presuming,... AND, you might be entertained in a whole new way,.. like a Brave New World.
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Old January 24 2013, 02:13 AM   #102
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I don't recall ever saying anything about "Old Tyme" writers from the "Stone Age" much less selling them short or claiming they're less than clever.

I don't see my right to express my opinion going away in my lifetime.
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Old January 24 2013, 02:20 AM   #103
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A bumbling conspiracy revealed but unthwarted by an obscure 60's sci-fi show... yeah.
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Old January 24 2013, 02:53 AM   #104
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I think your taking Trek a bit too seriously Captain Tracy.
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Old January 24 2013, 03:49 AM   #105
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How 'bout we get back on topic, eh?
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