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Old January 23 2013, 12:25 PM   #76
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(Not quite sure what to make of this).

The ratings for the first Continuum episode on Syfy were quite low.

According to futon critic, it had an overall rating of 0.2 for Monday January 14, 2013 evening. Approximately 0.903 million viewers overall, and 0.247 million viewers in the 18-49 age demographic.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rating...able_20130114/

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...s-more/165331/


In contrast for comparison, wwe raw wrestling had ratings of 1.6 and 1.7 for Monday January 14, 2013. Over 4.4 million viewers overall, and over 2 million viewers in the 18-49 age demographic.

An episode of Lost Girl on Monday January 14, 2013 had slightly better ratings than Continuum. About 1.186 million viewers overall, and around 0.573 million viewers in the 18-49 age demographic. A rating of 0.5.


If ratings for subsequent episodes of Continuum start to tumble significantly, then one has to ask whether it will be renewed for a third season. (Continuum has already been renewed for a 13-episode season 2 in Canada).
But it's a Canadian show, so surely the key rating for a third season will be the Canadian rating figure.
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Old January 23 2013, 12:49 PM   #77
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If their major export market dries up they're fucked. Those profits are factored into thier business model and if they can't sell themselves to American audiences they they'll try to invent one that will, and swap that noob out with Continuum.
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Old January 23 2013, 03:30 PM   #78
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If their major export market dries up they're fucked.
There's two recent instances I can think of offhand, where a Canadian produced show was dropped by its American network, but continued being produced by its Canadian network.

- "Saving Hope" was dropped by NBC at the end of season 1, but CTV renewed it for a second season. ("Saving Hope" features Michael Shanks, who previously played Daniel Jackson for ten seasons of Stargate SG-1).

- "Flashpoint" was dropped by CBS in the middle of season 4, but CTV continued producing it for the rest of season 4 and a season 5. (Season 5 recently ended last month, with the producers calling it quits and ending the series).

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But it's a Canadian show, so surely the key rating for a third season will be the Canadian rating figure.
Continuum appears to be produced partly by Shaw Media, which just happens to be the same company that owns the Showcase cable channel in Canada.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1954347/companycredits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaw_Media

In the end, Shaw Media will have the final say on whether to axe the show.

How much longer Shaw is willing to produce Continuum on its own without an American network, will probably be dependent on season 2 ratings and Continuum's producers deciding on how long they want to prolong the storyline. If the Canadian ratings for season 2 can maintain anything close to the season 1 Canadian ratings, then most likely there will be a season 3, even if Syfy drops the show. Renewal is much less certain if the Canadian ratings of season 2 are significantly less stellar than season 1.

After the Continuum show ends, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up living on as repeated reruns on Showcase, even with significantly less than 100 episodes. (Presently, Showcase reruns some Canadian produced sci-fi/action shows almost every day like Relic Hunter, the late 1990's Outer Limits, and Earth: Final Conflict).

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Old January 23 2013, 07:03 PM   #79
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Relic Hunter is scifi?
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Old January 23 2013, 07:04 PM   #80
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Relic Hunter is scifi?
More like action.
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Old January 23 2013, 07:49 PM   #81
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Relic Hunter is scifi?
More like action.
I think Relic Hunters had a few episodes that delved into the mystical or paranormal.
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Old January 23 2013, 08:16 PM   #82
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If their major export market dries up they're fucked.
There's two recent instances I can think of offhand, where a Canadian produced show was dropped by its American network, but continued being produced by its Canadian network.

- "Saving Hope" was dropped by NBC at the end of season 1, but CTV renewed it for a second season. ("Saving Hope" features Michael Shanks, who previously played Daniel Jackson for ten seasons of Stargate SG-1).

- "Flashpoint" was dropped by CBS in the middle of season 4, but CTV continued producing it for the rest of season 4 and a season 5. (Season 5 recently ended last month, with the producers calling it quits and ending the series).

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But it's a Canadian show, so surely the key rating for a third season will be the Canadian rating figure.
Continuum appears to be produced partly by Shaw Media, which just happens to be the same company that owns the Showcase cable channel in Canada.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1954347/companycredits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaw_Media

In the end, Shaw Media will have the final say on whether to axe the show.

How much longer Shaw is willing to produce Continuum on ).
^ Add "The Listener" to the list. It had a brief summer run on NBC during it's first season and was yanked before completely airing all 13 episodes. CTV continued it-the 3rd season was on last year, and IIRC was renewed for a fourth. With it's production company owning the cable network that's airing it, there's hope that if Continuum continues to perform well in Canada-and in other countries, it won't get canned just because it failed to gain traction in America.
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Old January 23 2013, 09:31 PM   #83
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With it's production company owning the cable network that's airing it, there's hope that if Continuum continues to perform well in Canada-and in other countries, it won't get canned just because it failed to gain traction in America.
One can examine Showcase's track record for their original first-run produced shows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showcas...al_programming

For the most part, very few of Showcase's original shows have lasted more than 3 seasons. The few exceptions are:

- Trailer Park Boys (comedy/mockumentary - 7 seasons)
- Kenny vs. Spenny (comedy - 6 seasons)
- KinK (sex documentary - 5 seasons)

Of their present shows which remotely resemble sci-fi/action/fantasy, there's "Lost Girl" (season 3) and "XIII: The Series" (season 2).

Quite a few of the canceled one-season shows, were first-runs within the last 5 years or so. Many of the canceled three-season shows, were first-runs from the early and mid-2000's era.

It would be great if Continuum lasts three seasons (if not more), regardless of Showcase's past track record.

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Old January 24 2013, 07:19 AM   #84
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If their major export market dries up they're fucked.
There's two recent instances I can think of offhand, where a Canadian produced show was dropped by its American network, but continued being produced by its Canadian network.

- "Saving Hope" was dropped by NBC at the end of season 1, but CTV renewed it for a second season. ("Saving Hope" features Michael Shanks, who previously played Daniel Jackson for ten seasons of Stargate SG-1).

- "Flashpoint" was dropped by CBS in the middle of season 4, but CTV continued producing it for the rest of season 4 and a season 5. (Season 5 recently ended last month, with the producers calling it quits and ending the series).
Actually, Flashpoint is still showing new episodes in the US, it just moved to a new network, Ion. I've never seen it myself, but they advertise it a lot during their syndicated reruns of Psych, Leverage and Monk.
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Old January 24 2013, 03:34 PM   #85
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This week's ratings from futon critic.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rating...able_20130121/

Continuum - Syfy
1.279 million viewers, #21; 0.463 million adults 18-49 (0.4 rating), #29

In comparison with other Syfy shows on Monday, it's almost neck-in-neck with the Lost Girl episode this week, but not quite as good as Being Human.

Lost Girl - Syfy
1.075 million viewers, #27; 0.537 million adults 18-49 (0.4 rating), #25

Being Human - Syfy
1.169 million viewers, #25; 0.593 million adults 18-49 (0.5 rating), #22


Looks somewhat better than last week.
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Old January 24 2013, 04:34 PM   #86
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Actually, Flashpoint is still showing new episodes in the US, it just moved to a new network, Ion. I've never seen it myself, but they advertise it a lot during their syndicated reruns of Psych, Leverage and Monk.
Or rather, it has been showing new episodes. The series finale aired Tuesday night on Ion.
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Old January 24 2013, 04:44 PM   #87
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Liked episode 2, although the completely evil, neck-snapping black villain lacks dimensionality. Why not just incapacitate the mall cops? Love the lead actress, although hopefully there won't be too much more blubbering tears about life left behind. Liked the flashbacks to the future when she's getting her cop credentials.

Will keep tuning in...
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Old January 24 2013, 05:01 PM   #88
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Liked episode 2, although the completely evil, neck-snapping black villain lacks dimensionality. Why not just incapacitate the mall cops?
Umm, the whole reason the Liber8 members were on Death Row was because they murdered 30,000 innocent bystanders in a series of terrorist bombings targeted at a few dozen corporate leaders. It's a given that all of them embrace extreme violence and have no qualms about inflicting collateral damage.
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Old January 25 2013, 04:16 AM   #89
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They're soldiers not generals.

They have no idea how to fight a war or even recognize the new shape of the war they are in.

In the real world, Roger Cross has been working constantly for the last 20 years, even if because he's the size of a line backer the lad might be typecast as a thug with a gun, you have to assume that if he's given a part with range that he can full up all that potential because it's rude not to.

Roger's Character is a thug, which means that he probably has to subtract from who he is as a real person to create he illusion that he is a drug controlled genetically augmented dog soldier.

A couple more episodes and you'll see WHY liber8 should have been trying to mass wealth and take over the world rather than pull everything down like rancid terrorists since because they have enough foreknowledge these time travellers should have the rest of the world at a distinct tactical disadvantage.
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Old January 25 2013, 01:06 PM   #90
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Persuading yourself that a single decaptiation strike on the corporate heads is worth the collateral damage just isn't the same as wanting to personally kill a victim with your own hands. In the first case you can easily ignore the reality of other human beings dying. It's like having no problem with drone strikes. In the second case it a matter of reveling in it. It's like taking fun photos at Abu Grhaib. The mentalities are emotional opposites.

Also, the elaborately militarized tactics Liber8 uses require extensive training and combat experience. In the nature of things it is not yet obvious how the members could possibly have acquired this in the corporate future.

Willing suspension of disbelief is a tricky beast. It wants to be fed, because it's hungry for story. So at this moment (second episode in) I'm happy enough that Kiera gets caught out as not really being Linda Williams. Brian Markinson not taking her word for it and never talking to Portland is just too in your face to easily accept. (Unfortunately the issue of the US-Canada border doesn't go away till the corporations take over. But still....)

But the big problem for the Liber8 members is not their attitudes to and capacities for violence. The big problem is they planned on getting caught, relying on someone they had no reason to trust, to help them escape.
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