Abrams: Expect To Cry - Page 4

Kruezerman · January 23 2013, 05:24 PM

Franklin wrote:

Kruezerman wrote:

The only movie that I came close to crying was Cinderella.

We'll see with this.

Was it when the glass slipper fit? That was a wonderful moment.

C'mon, you didn't even come close to crying in "Bambi"?

No it was the way the stepsisters treated her. I can relate.

I haven't seen it in years, so I'll need to see it again. I've been on a Disney binge.

Dagoth · January 23 2013, 05:29 PM

Can someone provide me with the super long 10 minute trailer I watched in IMAX? I was like

'are they gonna run the whole movie on that trailer'.

M'Sharak · January 23 2013, 06:58 PM

Shazam! wrote:

Yeah, but we know that Kirk and Spock etc are running around doing just fine in the Prime Universe, so I give as much of a shit about these new guys as I do that Riker who got blown up in that Borg war universe in Parallels

Shazam! wrote:

Jackson_Roykirk wrote:

Using your logic, we can't care about any original movie character (any original character in any original movie) simply because that the character is not someone we already know or have cared about before the movie.

Spamming. Warned. Comments. PM.

M'Sharak · January 23 2013, 07:11 PM

Dagoth wrote:

Can someone provide me with the super long 10 minute trailer I watched in IMAX? I was like

'are they gonna run the whole movie on that trailer'.

No, that one was intended only for theatre viewing. There was a poor-quality phone-cam recording of it making the rounds, but that's probably the only general release the nine-minute trailer will ever see.

Jackson_Roykirk · January 23 2013, 07:39 PM

Shazam! wrote:

Jackson_Roykirk wrote:

Using your logic, we can't care about any original movie character (any original character in any original movie) simply because that the character is not someone we already know or have cared about before the movie.

Explain to me how, when watching the original Star Wars for the first time, people cared about what happened to Luke, Leia, and Han, even though they knew nothing about those characters when the movie started.

If we imagine for a moment that ST2009 was the first Star Trek story ever, would you not care about the Kirk, Spock, et al. portrayed in the film? I do understand the reality of it is that ST2009 was NOT the first-ever Star Trek story. However, from the standpoint of a pure-cinematic story-telling potential, why would it matter if the characters in ST2009 are not original? How does that affect the film's ability to make you care about the characters?

Is it soley because Abrams and Co. said the original characters still exist in the prime universe? If so, I don't understand why that matters, considering that those prime universe characters are just as fictional as the Abrams-verse characters. The Abrams-verse fictional characters have every right to be "cared about" by the audience, from a story-telling standpoint (whether people personally thought Abrams and the writers succeeded in that is a totally different argument -- but I cared about them).

...and, by the way, when I watch TNG: Parallels, and I really think about it and get myself into the story, I do feel a bit bad for "Shabby Riker" who got "blowed up" (blowed up real good). Poor guy.

bbailey861 · January 23 2013, 07:48 PM

M'Sharak wrote:

Dagoth wrote:

Can someone provide me with the super long 10 minute trailer I watched in IMAX? I was like

'are they gonna run the whole movie on that trailer'.

No, that one was intended only for theatre viewing. There was a poor-quality phone-cam recording of it making the rounds, but that's probably the only general release the nine-minute trailer will ever see.

Until the Blu-ray is released somewhere around Christmas.

Shazam! · January 23 2013, 08:15 PM

Jackson_Roykirk wrote:

Explain to me how, when watching the original Star Wars for the first time, people cared about what happened to Luke, Leia, and Han, even though they knew nothing about those characters when the movie started.

Right. We knew nothing about them. So watching them grow was fun and surprising.

We do, however, already know all about Spock, Kirk, McCoy etc after having seen and read countless stories featuring those guys. Now we get to see how they became those characters only they aren't those characters, they're alternate universe versions. It's like rebooting Spider-Man with Ben Reilly.

If we imagine for a moment that ST2009 was the first Star Trek story ever, would you not care about the Kirk, Spock, et al. portrayed in the film?

Same film, but Star Trek had never existed and this was a new franchise? Would I care about them then? Possibly. But no more so than any other action movie franchise character and I can't say I'm in any hurry to read a novel featuring say, Jack Traven from Speed or something...

..and, by the way, when I watch TNG: Parallels, and I really think about it and get myself into the story, I do feel a bit bad for "Shabby Riker" who got "blowed up". Poor guy.

Good for you.

Admiral Buzzkill · January 23 2013, 08:20 PM

Shazam! wrote:

Yeah, but we know that Kirk and Spock etc are running around doing just fine in the Prime Universe...

No, they're not.

They got old, fat, and dull. Stuffy and boring. Kirk fell off a rickety bridge before delivering one of his bizarre line readings ("It was...fun") and croaking. Spock was last seen shuffling through a kind of aimless story about Romulus with a bunch of old guys and Denise Crosby wearing bumpy foam rubber heads. McCoy was wearing a garotte-like ascot for vanity's sake to hide his wattle, Scotty and Uhura were fumbling around with various unappealing menepausal sexual hijinks, Chekov had evolved from Bad Accent/Haircut to Bad Accent/Toupee and Sulu...who gives a fuck about Sulu?

They're not "running around," "doing fine," or being at all interesting. These new guys are a lot more fun now.

Shazam! · January 23 2013, 08:22 PM

My Name Is Legion wrote:

Spock was last seen shuffling through a kind of aimless story

I thought you liked Trek XI?

lurok · January 23 2013, 08:23 PM

Jackson_Roykirk wrote:

...and, by the way, when I watch TNG: Parallels, and I really think about it and get myself into the story, I do feel a bit bad for "Shabby Riker" who got "blowed up" (blowed up real good). Poor guy.

I'm not a Riker or TNG fan, but even I felt sorry for Shabby Riker

What's that word I'm looking for? Ummm...empathy. That's it.

DalekJim · January 23 2013, 08:23 PM

I don't want to cry. I want to be inspired.

The Keeper · January 23 2013, 08:32 PM

Oso Blanco wrote:

Urgent Sky wrote:

Franklin wrote:

Despite what they say about the "message" of Roddenberry's optimism being in this film, I don't get the vibe the story ends well.

Yeah, I get the impression we're in for a cliffhanger ending.

I had that feeling too, back in September.

Someone (I think it was Pine) said a while ago in an interview that had no idea how Star Trek was supposed to continue after the end of STID, or at least it was something to that effect. But he said he was sure that the writers would think of something.

I can't find that snippet anymore, it was over on Trekweb months ago ... does anyone remember?

I think it was the infamous interview which spawned the 'last ST movie for Quinto?' rumor. It is below but the full transcript is absent on that page, video only.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/09/07/chri...er-and-bolder/

Notice the URL for that page has "chris-pine-says-star-trek-sequel-is-" blah blah blah within it but it is Quinto speaking.

I believe the lines we're thinking of is; Quinto: "I'm really excited to see what they do with it but, you know...."

On topic, Thanks for the warning JJ. I'll be sure to bring plenty of tissues with me.

Admiral Buzzkill · January 23 2013, 08:32 PM

DalekJim wrote:

I don't want to cry. I want to be inspired.

Then if you're over 12 years old Star Trek's not for you.

Admiral Buzzkill · January 23 2013, 08:35 PM

Shazam! wrote:

My Name Is Legion wrote:

Spock was last seen shuffling through a kind of aimless story

I thought you liked Trek XI?

Loved it, but Prime Spock was a footnote to what made it great. You're right, though - thanks to Abrams, Nimoy's Spock has been somewhat redeemed.

Garrovick · January 23 2013, 08:37 PM

I teared up when Spock died at the end of TWOK.

I teared up again when the Enterprise self-destructed in TSFS.

I STILL get tears (of joy) to this day at the last 5 minutes of TVH (The Enterprise-A reveal, but also Sarek's talk with Spock in the Council chamber).

I'm sorry, I just can't imagine anything in Into Darkness affecting me that profoundly.

January 23 2013, 05:29 PM	#47
Dagoth Ensign	Re: Abrams: Expect To Cry Can someone provide me with the super long 10 minute trailer I watched in IMAX? I was like 'are they gonna run the whole movie on that trailer'.

January 23 2013, 08:23 PM	#56
DalekJim Fleet Captain Location: Great Britain	Re: Abrams: Expect To Cry I don't want to cry. I want to be inspired. __________________ The Paradox Machine - My blog "Four things cannot be hidden - love, smoke, a pillar of fire and a man striding across the open bled." - Dune Messiah by Frank Herbert

January 23 2013, 08:37 PM	#60
Garrovick Lieutenant Commander Location: wallowing in a pool of emotion	Re: Abrams: Expect To Cry I teared up when Spock died at the end of TWOK. I teared up again when the Enterprise self-destructed in TSFS. I STILL get tears (of joy) to this day at the last 5 minutes of TVH (The Enterprise-A reveal, but also Sarek's talk with Spock in the Council chamber). I'm sorry, I just can't imagine anything in Into Darkness affecting me that profoundly.

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