Once Upon A Time - Season 2 Thread - Page 26

RJDiogenes · January 23 2013, 10:37 AM

Greg Cox wrote:

RJDiogenes wrote:

Greg Cox wrote:

Well, given that they've already mashed together Grimm's fairy tales, the Arabian Nights, Greek mythology, Arthurian legendry, Chinese folk tales, Alice in Wonderland, Pinocchio, Peter Pan, and Frankenstein (with, apparently, Hans Christian Andersen and L. Frank Baum on the way),

And FreakyLinks!

And 101 Dalmatians!

Hooray for the Multiverse.

sojourner wrote:

Here's a question. Does Disney exist in the world of Storybrooke?

And, if not, how does it effect contemporary culture? That's what I've always wondered about those modern-day Sherlock Holmes series; there's never any ramifications to there being no fictional Holmes.

stj · January 23 2013, 01:31 PM

^^^You know the final scene of the series has already been written, don't you? It's repurposed/tweaked footage of Walt Disney introducing a new program, called Once Upon a Time.

Nerys Myk · January 23 2013, 04:24 PM

Aren't the characters aware that they exist as Fairy Tale characters in the real world? So why wouldn't Disney exist there?

137th Gebirg · January 23 2013, 04:42 PM

Many of the fairy tales and other fictional characters being referenced are older than Disney itself, which has become something of a central clearing house for such things. It could be argued that many of these stories could have their roots in much older kinds of mythology that have been repackaged by Disney at a later time for children's consumption. I'm not a student of fairy tale history, but that would be my guess.

Nerys Myk · January 23 2013, 05:17 PM

137th Gebirg wrote:

Many of the fairy tales and other fictional characters being referenced are older than Disney itself, which has become something of a central clearing house for such things. It could be argued that many of these stories could have their roots in much older kinds of mythology that have been repackaged by Disney at a later time for children's consumption. I'm not a student of fairy tale history, but that would be my guess.

The homogenization and sanitation of Fairy Tales predate Disney. Though I'm fairly certain that names like Belle (Beauty and the Beast), Aurora, Phillip and Malecifent (Sleeping Beauty) originated with Disney. So the versions we see in Once Upon a Time are influenced by the Disney versions.

Greg Cox · January 23 2013, 05:38 PM

Nerys Myk wrote:

137th Gebirg wrote:

Many of the fairy tales and other fictional characters being referenced are older than Disney itself, which has become something of a central clearing house for such things. It could be argued that many of these stories could have their roots in much older kinds of mythology that have been repackaged by Disney at a later time for children's consumption. I'm not a student of fairy tale history, but that would be my guess.

The homogenization and sanitation of Fairy Tales predate Disney. Though I'm fairly certain that names like Belle (Beauty and the Beast), Aurora, Phillip and Malecifent (Sleeping Beauty) originated with Disney. So the versions we see in Once Upon a Time are influenced by the Disney versions.

Ditto for the names of the Seven Dwarves: Grumpy, Doc, Sneezy, etc. Those were invented for the Disney version.

137th Gebirg · January 23 2013, 06:54 PM

Yeah, I was referring more to the Grimm-related stories (which included Rumpelstiltskin), Werewolves and Frankenstein.

Nerys Myk · January 23 2013, 07:21 PM

Werewolves aren't exactly Fairy Tales and neither is Frankenstein. Though I suppose there could be a connection between the wolf character(s) seen in Red Riding Hood and The Three Little Pigs and the Werewolf legend.

Yes, the folk tales, myth and legends are all pretty old. The Grimms' version of the stories only date back to the 1800s and are taken from earlier ones. Even the Grimms edited the stories to make them more child friendly. (Apparently there were complaints about the first edition).

RJDiogenes · January 23 2013, 11:02 PM

stj wrote:

^^^You know the final scene of the series has already been written, don't you? It's repurposed/tweaked footage of Walt Disney introducing a new program, called Once Upon a Time.

Something like that would actually be pretty cool.

JD · January 24 2013, 06:53 AM

Nerys Myk wrote:

Aren't the characters aware that they exist as Fairy Tale characters in the real world?

I'm kind of annoyed that they've never really addressed the connection between the characters and our centuries old fairy tales. If the characters only came to Storybrooke 28 years ago, does that mean that they were immortal or aged really slowly in the fairy tale world so they could predate our versions of their stories? How did people in our world learn about them in order to tell the stories?

Technobuilder · January 24 2013, 07:02 AM

What I want to know is this....

How the heck are they going to explain how Storybrooke survives as a thriving town?

-Where does the food come from for Granny's Dinner?
-Where do the medical Supplies come from for Frankenstein's Hospital?
-Where does the Gas come from that supplies the Gas Station?
-If the curse prevented outsiders from entering the town limits for 28 years? how did the town have internet in the very first episode? Who installed it? Where does the town get power?

Were magics in place to provide all these things previously? If so, are they still in play? If not, they've got more to worry about than strangers in town. They're going to run out of modern supplies in no time at all.

Seriously, why has no one addressed this crap in the show?

JD · January 24 2013, 07:04 AM

I never thought about any of that before.

Nerys Myk · January 24 2013, 07:10 AM

Time probably flows different in the other worlds.

Their connection with us could be many things.

They could be a product of our collective subconscious. Our tellings, believing and retellings of the legends, myths and fables actually brought them into existence. Or perhaps the worlds of fantasy are linked to us via dreams. (an idea actually touched upon in the series) So the fairy tales are our interpretations of these"dreams". Obviously sometimes things get lost in the "translation".

JD · January 24 2013, 07:12 AM

Yeah, those sound like they could be pretty probable. It would just be nice if it was addressed in the show eventually.

sojourner · January 24 2013, 07:20 AM

We already know time passes differently. They've been in Storybrooke for 28 years. Yet if that amount of time had passed in fairytale world, Hook should be an old man by now.

January 23 2013, 01:31 PM	#377
stj Rear Admiral Location: the real world	Re: Once Upon A Time - Season 2 Thread ^^^You know the final scene of the series has already been written, don't you? It's repurposed/tweaked footage of Walt Disney introducing a new program, called Once Upon a Time. __________________ Morals are what you do to other people. Other people, what we call society, are essential to human happiness. Therefore, morals are the path to happiness. My morals, your happiness; your morals, my happiness: It's a fair trade.

January 23 2013, 04:24 PM	#378
Nerys Myk Admiral Location: House of Kang, now with ridges	Re: Once Upon A Time - Season 2 Thread Aren't the characters aware that they exist as Fairy Tale characters in the real world? So why wouldn't Disney exist there? __________________ Nerys Myk's Midnight In Never Land A novel of Dark Fantasy @ Amazon.com

January 23 2013, 04:42 PM	#379
137th Gebirg Rear Admiral Location: Who is John Galt?	Re: Once Upon A Time - Season 2 Thread Many of the fairy tales and other fictional characters being referenced are older than Disney itself, which has become something of a central clearing house for such things. It could be argued that many of these stories could have their roots in much older kinds of mythology that have been repackaged by Disney at a later time for children's consumption. I'm not a student of fairy tale history, but that would be my guess. __________________ Gebirgswick - Ind, Tra, Sec & Env.

January 23 2013, 06:54 PM	#382
137th Gebirg Rear Admiral Location: Who is John Galt?	Re: Once Upon A Time - Season 2 Thread Yeah, I was referring more to the Grimm-related stories (which included Rumpelstiltskin), Werewolves and Frankenstein. __________________ Gebirgswick - Ind, Tra, Sec & Env.

January 23 2013, 07:21 PM	#383
Nerys Myk Admiral Location: House of Kang, now with ridges	Re: Once Upon A Time - Season 2 Thread Werewolves aren't exactly Fairy Tales and neither is Frankenstein. Though I suppose there could be a connection between the wolf character(s) seen in Red Riding Hood and The Three Little Pigs and the Werewolf legend. Yes, the folk tales, myth and legends are all pretty old. The Grimms' version of the stories only date back to the 1800s and are taken from earlier ones. Even the Grimms edited the stories to make them more child friendly. (Apparently there were complaints about the first edition). __________________ Nerys Myk's Midnight In Never Land A novel of Dark Fantasy @ Amazon.com

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January 24 2013, 07:02 AM	#386
Technobuilder Commodore Location: Nashville, TN	Re: Once Upon A Time - Season 2 Thread What I want to know is this.... How the heck are they going to explain how Storybrooke survives as a thriving town? -Where does the food come from for Granny's Dinner? -Where do the medical Supplies come from for Frankenstein's Hospital? -Where does the Gas come from that supplies the Gas Station? -If the curse prevented outsiders from entering the town limits for 28 years? how did the town have internet in the very first episode? Who installed it? Where does the town get power? Were magics in place to provide all these things previously? If so, are they still in play? If not, they've got more to worry about than strangers in town. They're going to run out of modern supplies in no time at all. Seriously, why has no one addressed this crap in the show? __________________ "You fool! You've fallen victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia", but only slightly less well known is this - "Never go in against a Sicilian, when death is on the line!"

January 24 2013, 07:04 AM	#387
JD Admiral Location: Arizona, USA	Re: Once Upon A Time - Season 2 Thread I never thought about any of that before. __________________ Over the course of many encounters and many years, I have successfully developed a standard operating procedure for dealing with big, nasty monsters. Run away. Me and Monty Python. Harry Dresden - Blood Rites (The Dresden Files #6)

January 24 2013, 07:10 AM	#388
Nerys Myk Admiral Location: House of Kang, now with ridges	Re: Once Upon A Time - Season 2 Thread Time probably flows different in the other worlds. Their connection with us could be many things. They could be a product of our collective subconscious. Our tellings, believing and retellings of the legends, myths and fables actually brought them into existence. Or perhaps the worlds of fantasy are linked to us via dreams. (an idea actually touched upon in the series) So the fairy tales are our interpretations of these"dreams". Obviously sometimes things get lost in the "translation". __________________ Nerys Myk's Midnight In Never Land A novel of Dark Fantasy @ Amazon.com

January 24 2013, 07:12 AM	#389
JD Admiral Location: Arizona, USA	Re: Once Upon A Time - Season 2 Thread Yeah, those sound like they could be pretty probable. It would just be nice if it was addressed in the show eventually. __________________ Over the course of many encounters and many years, I have successfully developed a standard operating procedure for dealing with big, nasty monsters. Run away. Me and Monty Python. Harry Dresden - Blood Rites (The Dresden Files #6)

January 24 2013, 07:20 AM	#390
sojourner Vice Admiral Location: I'm at WKRP	Re: Once Upon A Time - Season 2 Thread We already know time passes differently. They've been in Storybrooke for 28 years. Yet if that amount of time had passed in fairytale world, Hook should be an old man by now. __________________ Baby, you and me were never meant to be, just maybe think of me once in a while...