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Old January 23 2013, 12:33 PM   #16
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Telepathic species, Vulcans included, were known in TOS.
...And were in the bogeymen category for the most part. Spock kept his abilities secret until "Dagger of the Mind", and the fact that they came as a surprise to the medically educated McCoy suggests there isn't anything about that ability in professional or general literature, either. And Miranda Jones was evicted to Vulcan for displaying signs of telepathy...

Telepaths in "The Cage" and "The Menagerie" were black hats through and through. This both gives a dramatic reason not to have a white hat telepath in the episodes, and tells a lot about the general attitudes and prejudices of 23rd century humans or Starfleeters about telepathy.

Maybe the nature of the Delta ray damage made normal interfacing considerably more problematic.
If Pike could process language in his brain in the first place, Federation science would probably have found a way to tie the processes to an output device of some sort. But if Pike suffers from brain damage specific to language processing, and can perfectly understand spoken words but cannot put together an English sentence to save (or end) his life, then not only are machine "voders" out, but telepathy might become less informative as well.

The point about Spock having no motivation to act as an interpreter for Pike here stands, though.

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Old January 23 2013, 02:33 PM   #17
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Pike's injuries and the nature of his chair crop up every so often and some interesting ideas get tossed around the threads. Someone suggested this chair was something of a "stop gap" to stabilize his condition before more sophisticated devices could be employed, like a more refined communications interface. Unfortunately, the way McCoy talks, there's no way to tie more directly into Pike's brain to allow that.
I wonder if Roger Korby's android technology would be able to not only give Pike a new body, but completely allow full control (speech, etc.). The "am i real or not?" questions would pop up, but if a Korby body has the full range of senses, where the human brain would not know the difference, Pike would have enjoyed a second life to do whatever he desired.
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Old January 23 2013, 03:57 PM   #18
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Pike's injuries and the nature of his chair crop up every so often and some interesting ideas get tossed around the threads. Someone suggested this chair was something of a "stop gap" to stabilize his condition before more sophisticated devices could be employed, like a more refined communications interface. Unfortunately, the way McCoy talks, there's no way to tie more directly into Pike's brain to allow that.
I wonder if Roger Korby's android technology would be able to not only give Pike a new body, but completely allow full control (speech, etc.). The "am i real or not?" questions would pop up, but if a Korby body has the full range of senses, where the human brain would not know the difference, Pike would have enjoyed a second life to do whatever he desired.
Corby got a bum rap.
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Old January 24 2013, 09:43 PM   #19
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As for typing speed, don't apologize. Took typing classes nearly 30 years ago, but to this day, I'm still something of a "hunt and pecker". (Wait; that doesn't sound right!) An early childhood stroke left me with slightly diminished motor skills in my left arm. Thankfully I wasn't left slogging about like Igor for some mad scientist.
You know, I'm a rather brilliant surgeon. Perhaps I can help you with that hump.
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Old January 24 2013, 10:42 PM   #20
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As for typing speed, don't apologize. Took typing classes nearly 30 years ago, but to this day, I'm still something of a "hunt and pecker". (Wait; that doesn't sound right!) An early childhood stroke left me with slightly diminished motor skills in my left arm. Thankfully I wasn't left slogging about like Igor for some mad scientist.
You know, I'm a rather brilliant surgeon. Perhaps I can help you with that hump.
I was fortunate to learn on Dad's manual Olivetti portable, though I started with 3-finger hunt and peck. I took touch-typing in high school. I had the highest speed of two classes at 70 on manual Olympias (or was it Olympus?) with no mistakes, but that was too much effort to be comfortable. I scaled back to an easier 55, and only one other person matched me. I think I ended the course with 60. Our church had an IBM Selectric with the interchangeable ball fonts, and I absolutely flew on that at 125. The skill served me well, with several early data entry jobs. When I last tested for a job in the early 90s, I was at 95 on a computer.
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Old January 25 2013, 10:05 PM   #21
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An early childhood stroke left me with slightly diminished motor skills in my left arm.
Consider learning the Dvorak key map—it is built into both Windows and Macintosh OSes. I'm not sure about the various Linuxes, since there are so many.

As you may know, QWERTY was invented to deliberately slow down typists at a time when mechanical typewriters had a major problem with strikers locking oars. Dvorak is highly efficient and requires very little movement. Most users improve their typing speed significantly.

And what a coincidence to be addressing such a problem as this in a thread about Pike's limited mobility...
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Old January 25 2013, 10:35 PM   #22
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I was using an old fashioned non-electric wheelchair for about a month after my accident. I really hated it, so worked at getting the leg moving again. It's flexible enough now, but still weak, and hurts every second of every day.
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Old February 2 2013, 09:45 AM   #23
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As you may know, QWERTY was invented to deliberately slow down typists at a time when mechanical typewriters had a major problem with strikers locking oars. Dvorak is highly efficient and requires very little movement. Most users improve their typing speed significantly.
A common story, not exactly proven.
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