teacake does Stargate: punch it - Page 47

Skywalker · January 21 2013, 12:16 PM

teacake wrote:

Prototype: It is always dangerous to defrost people.

You'd think a genre savvy guy like Mitchell would have thought of that. Defrosting a guy who'd had his DNA messed with didn't work out too well for Captain Kirk, did it?

bigdaddy · January 21 2013, 05:50 PM

People are frozen for reasons.

I complete forgot about the doctor and daddy issues. Ugh that was bad. Would the military even station father and daughter together?

The Wormhole · January 22 2013, 03:06 AM

bigdaddy wrote:

People are frozen for reasons.

I complete forgot about the doctor and daddy issues. Ugh that was bad. Would the military even station father and daughter together?

Probably not if they were both in the military, but Dr. Lam is a civilian. I'm not sure if that makes a difference.

bigdaddy · January 22 2013, 05:36 AM

The Wormhole wrote:

bigdaddy wrote:

People are frozen for reasons.

I complete forgot about the doctor and daddy issues. Ugh that was bad. Would the military even station father and daughter together?

Probably not if they were both in the military, but Dr. Lam is a civilian. I'm not sure if that makes a difference.

Why would a civilian be working at the most top secret base?

Skywalker · January 22 2013, 06:04 AM

Um, SGC has a lot of civilian personnel. Most notably a certain Egyptologist.

bigdaddy · January 22 2013, 06:58 AM

Skywalker wrote:

Um, SGC has a lot of civilian personnel. Most notably a certain Egyptologist.

That's true, but he was the one that started the Stargate in the first place. They couldn't find a a military doctor?

AJ86 · January 22 2013, 12:00 PM

Lam is a civilian? News to me.

Silvercrest · January 22 2013, 05:09 PM

Nope, the one who kicked off the Stargate program was Catherine Langford. A civilian.

The Wormhole · January 22 2013, 05:15 PM

bigdaddy wrote:

Why would a civilian be working at the most top secret base?

The SGC, like many military bases has plenty of civilians staffed at it. Hell, most of the scientists like Dr. Lee are civilians.

They couldn't find a a military doctor?

Lam's presence at the SGC was O'Neill's doing. Presumably he felt she had all the necessary qualifications to run the SGC's medical facilities. And possbily he wanted to her and Landry to try to patch things up nd figured having them work together was the only way.

AJ86 wrote:

Lam is a civilian? News to me.

It seemed pretty obvious to me. She never wore a uniform or rank insignia, which all other military doctors in the Stargate shows have.

Silvercrest · January 22 2013, 07:47 PM

The Wormhole wrote:

bigdaddy wrote:

Why would a civilian be working at the most top secret base?

The SGC, like many military bases has plenty of civilians staffed at it. Hell, most of the scientists like Dr. Lee are civilians.

Dr. Lee, Dr. Felger, Dr. Coombs, Dr. Rothman. And about half the cast and regulars of both SGA and SGU. (I think we can count the Antarctica base, Atlantis, the Icarus base, and Destiny as "most top secret bases" even though they're not Cheyenne Mountain.) You hire these people based on how badly you need them, not how high-ranking they are.

Also Vala, Jonas Quinn, and Teal'c. Civilians as far as the U.S. military is concerned.

gturner · January 22 2013, 07:57 PM

bigdaddy wrote:

I guess I'm not the only one that doesn't care/remember season 9 by the lack replies.

I'd have been replying but TrekBBS's hosting service did some kind of IP block, probably on my subnet, and I spent a week thinking their servers had crashed and burned. I couldn't access any other site they hosted, or even their own company site.

I almost replied here via a proxy server last week, but it bounced when I hit "submit reply". It just wasn't worth it, so I spent another week waiting to see if things would get straightened out, and sure enough, everything seems to be fixed now.

Anyway, in case Teacake isn't aware of it, the new doctor is Michael Shank's wife. His daughter by his first wife (Share) also appears briefly in an episode, but I forget which one.

teacake · January 22 2013, 11:38 PM

No I was not aware of that!!! Thanks gturner and welcome back!

gturner · January 23 2013, 12:06 AM

Thank you. It's good to be back.

Oh, and I remember what I was going to mention in my comment that bounced, which is a non-spoilerific thought now that you've seen Mobius 1 & 2.

Usually Stargate is pretty good about cleaning up really big loose ends, but there was an unexplored possibility left with Mobius.

We only have Daniel's opinion that the rest of the original SG-1 members were killed, so they could've been captured instead without breaking continuity. Obviously Ra can't learn anything significant from them or it would screw up the timeline, but you could posit that perhaps they ended up in the hands of another sytem lord, who would of course have to avoid further interactions to prevent timeline issues. (If he screws up the timeline, SG-1 never goes to Egypt, never gets captured, and he dies in a cell.)

So here's a simple stab at what's possible:

The original team is captured and Carter is thrown in a cell with a dying system lord who Ra is killing, but killing slowly through repeated torture. Once the system lord's host is beyond saving, the Goa'uld takes Carter as a host and they escape through the stargate, leaving the system lord's former host's body for Ra's guards to find. Everyone assumes that system lord died, and they never give Carter another thought (or SG-1, which could be included in the cell without a major change).

The system lord of course learns all that his host Carter knows, including the existence of the second gate in Antartica without a DHD, along with the ancient girl frozen there in the ice. Since Stargate Command only found the one girl before SG-1 took the Mobius trip, the system lord would be free to explore the ice and look for any ancients who weren't that particular girl. As already established, a Goa'uld can cure the disease that was afflicting the ancients, so he'd be free to thaw one out, take it as a host, and learn all the secrets of the Ancients - as long as he continued to play dead and stay out of the Goa'uld's timeline until sometime after the modern-day Mobius events are completed.

So that gives you an extremely powerful system lord with ancient weapons, and who has been upgrading those weapons for thousands of years, who has an incredibly intimate knowledge of SGC and SG-1 members, and who hasn't had to fight any other Goa'uld (all of whom assume he died at Ra's hands back in ancient Egypt). His existence is completely unexpected, and he could even be a drinking buddy or neighbor of some of the team members. He might've even used the knowledge he learned from the frozen Ancient to ascend and then re-materialize as a true human instead of a Goa'uld (and who really wants to be an aquatic parasite anyway?), so that the presence of a Goa'uld couldn't even be sensed.

Could be a good guy, could be a bad guy, but it would've offered an easy way to introduce a very powerful new character with a deep background story (and mystery, since he would know very intimate details about SG-1).

Frankly, once I thought about it for a bit, it seemed to have better potential than the Ori story, hopefully more on par with Anubis or Ba'al. There are all kinds of possibilities in the forgotten Mobius characters.

bigdaddy · January 23 2013, 12:38 AM

OK.

I haven't watched the episode in years, but that actually sounds like a good idea to me. I would have used that as a background for the Ori storyline. That thing could have given both to a bastard Goua'ld and Anients child that becomes the Ori.

gturner · January 23 2013, 12:51 AM

Oooo... That's an excellent twist. Make the Ori into Ancients who got possessed by Goa'uld, who then ascended, putting them beyond the reach of Ancient weapons and any simple (by the Ancient's standards) biological techniques to de-Goa'uld a host. That would make the Ori demand for worship a no-brainer without having to re-invent an excuse to fall back on the "evil aliens pretend to be false gods" idea.

It could've also served to give the Ori some actual personality, even a personal focus on SG-1 members.

January 21 2013, 05:50 PM	#692
bigdaddy Vice Admiral Location: Space Massachusetts	Re: teacake does Stargate: punch it People are frozen for reasons. I complete forgot about the doctor and daddy issues. Ugh that was bad. Would the military even station father and daughter together? __________________ "Bqhatevwr" - Former Senator Scott Brown

January 22 2013, 06:04 AM	#695
Skywalker Admiral	Re: teacake does Stargate: punch it Um, SGC has a lot of civilian personnel. Most notably a certain Egyptologist.

January 22 2013, 12:00 PM	#697
AJ86 Captain	Re: teacake does Stargate: punch it Lam is a civilian? News to me.

January 22 2013, 05:09 PM	#698
Silvercrest Rear Admiral Location: Lost in Moria (Arlington, WA, USA)	Re: teacake does Stargate: punch it Nope, the one who kicked off the Stargate program was Catherine Langford. A civilian.

January 22 2013, 11:38 PM	#702
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January 23 2013, 12:06 AM	#703
gturner Admiral Location: Kentucky	Re: teacake does Stargate: punch it Thank you. It's good to be back. Oh, and I remember what I was going to mention in my comment that bounced, which is a non-spoilerific thought now that you've seen Mobius 1 & 2. Usually Stargate is pretty good about cleaning up really big loose ends, but there was an unexplored possibility left with Mobius. We only have Daniel's opinion that the rest of the original SG-1 members were killed, so they could've been captured instead without breaking continuity. Obviously Ra can't learn anything significant from them or it would screw up the timeline, but you could posit that perhaps they ended up in the hands of another sytem lord, who would of course have to avoid further interactions to prevent timeline issues. (If he screws up the timeline, SG-1 never goes to Egypt, never gets captured, and he dies in a cell.) So here's a simple stab at what's possible: The original team is captured and Carter is thrown in a cell with a dying system lord who Ra is killing, but killing slowly through repeated torture. Once the system lord's host is beyond saving, the Goa'uld takes Carter as a host and they escape through the stargate, leaving the system lord's former host's body for Ra's guards to find. Everyone assumes that system lord died, and they never give Carter another thought (or SG-1, which could be included in the cell without a major change). The system lord of course learns all that his host Carter knows, including the existence of the second gate in Antartica without a DHD, along with the ancient girl frozen there in the ice. Since Stargate Command only found the one girl before SG-1 took the Mobius trip, the system lord would be free to explore the ice and look for any ancients who weren't that particular girl. As already established, a Goa'uld can cure the disease that was afflicting the ancients, so he'd be free to thaw one out, take it as a host, and learn all the secrets of the Ancients - as long as he continued to play dead and stay out of the Goa'uld's timeline until sometime after the modern-day Mobius events are completed. So that gives you an extremely powerful system lord with ancient weapons, and who has been upgrading those weapons for thousands of years, who has an incredibly intimate knowledge of SGC and SG-1 members, and who hasn't had to fight any other Goa'uld (all of whom assume he died at Ra's hands back in ancient Egypt). His existence is completely unexpected, and he could even be a drinking buddy or neighbor of some of the team members. He might've even used the knowledge he learned from the frozen Ancient to ascend and then re-materialize as a true human instead of a Goa'uld (and who really wants to be an aquatic parasite anyway?), so that the presence of a Goa'uld couldn't even be sensed. Could be a good guy, could be a bad guy, but it would've offered an easy way to introduce a very powerful new character with a deep background story (and mystery, since he would know very intimate details about SG-1). Frankly, once I thought about it for a bit, it seemed to have better potential than the Ori story, hopefully more on par with Anubis or Ba'al. There are all kinds of possibilities in the forgotten Mobius characters.

January 23 2013, 12:38 AM	#704
bigdaddy Vice Admiral Location: Space Massachusetts	Re: teacake does Stargate: punch it OK. I haven't watched the episode in years, but that actually sounds like a good idea to me. I would have used that as a background for the Ori storyline. That thing could have given both to a bastard Goua'ld and Anients child that becomes the Ori. __________________ "Bqhatevwr" - Former Senator Scott Brown

January 23 2013, 12:51 AM	#705
gturner Admiral Location: Kentucky	Re: teacake does Stargate: punch it Oooo... That's an excellent twist. Make the Ori into Ancients who got possessed by Goa'uld, who then ascended, putting them beyond the reach of Ancient weapons and any simple (by the Ancient's standards) biological techniques to de-Goa'uld a host. That would make the Ori demand for worship a no-brainer without having to re-invent an excuse to fall back on the "evil aliens pretend to be false gods" idea. It could've also served to give the Ori some actual personality, even a personal focus on SG-1 members.