Where do I start? - Page 5

Sindatur · January 19 2013, 10:47 PM

sbk1234 wrote:

This may not be that new a question, but it's something I don't know. I undrstand the good Doctor is the last of his kind. The Time Lords all perished in the Time War. My question is if they're time travelers, why can't he go back to before they were all killed, or why hasn't he encountered any other time traveling Time Lords?
I'm sure there's probably an answer to this, but I'm not sure what it is. Thanks.

It's a Time War, throughout all of Time, and Gallifrey is Time Locked (IE: Frozen in Time, or out of Time)

As far as other Time Travelers, strictly speaking, The Time Lords never did approve of their race running wild throughout the Cosmos, so, there weren't many running around free, TARDISes are basically Gov't owned and pretty strictly regulated, it's not like every Time Lord has a TARDIS like we have cars, The Doctor stole his. Additionally, any Time Lords away from Gallifrey worth their salt, would almost certainly have run home to fight in the Time War. (Even the Master was lured in with a promise of more Regenerations if he helped in the War)

MacLeod · January 19 2013, 11:18 PM

Well the Doctor would say he "Borrowed" his TARDIS.

To expand somewhat as well as soon as the Doctor becomes part of events he then can't go back. As it would be crossing his own timeline.

The Borgified Corpse · January 19 2013, 11:45 PM

Cutter John wrote:

All this is probably a moot point now anyway, as the OP has already started watching the Eccleston series.

Time can be rewritten!

"Rose" is a reasonable place to start. That's where I have most people start. Unless you're one of those people like me who is less concerned about going in order and more concerned with seeing something really strong right out of the gate. In which case, I would recommend "Dalek" & "Father's Day" from the Eccleston era; "The Girl in the Fireplace," "Blink," & "Midnight" from the Tennant years; and "The Eleventh Hour," "Amy's Choice," and "Vincent & the Doctor" from the Smith years.

sbk1234 wrote:

This may not be that new a question, but it's something I don't know. I undrstand the good Doctor is the last of his kind. The Time Lords all perished in the Time War. My question is if they're time travelers, why can't he go back to before they were all killed, or why hasn't he encountered any other time traveling Time Lords?
I'm sure there's probably an answer to this, but I'm not sure what it is. Thanks.

It's called a "Time Lock." To understand it any further, I would recommend taking Cardinal Borusa's class on Applied Temporal Mechanics at the University of Gallifrey. But then, you can't reach the University of Gallifrey because it's Time Locked.

Which leads me to Borusa's next lesson: "Recursive Temporal Logic & You."

Nick Ryder wrote:

Might be just the fact that I'm used to a less 'quirky' Doctor or a younger Doctor or just it feels like watching ANY old show from the 70s or 80s and you cringe at the writing, the clothes, the now really dated effects and costuming. Even early TNG can make people cringe at it worse than TOS.

Overall as decades, I think the 1980s have dated much worse than the 1960s. As a result, I find the '60s incarnations of both Star Trek & Doctor Who far more watchable than their '80s counterparts.

I did have a friend who I first introduced to the new series. Then I tried to give her some Tom Bakers, but she couldn't watch them because he "wasn't sexy enough." (Thankfully, her 1-year-old daughter seems to love classic Doctor Who. She finds it very soothing.)

I'm relatively new to Doctor Who fandom but I still kinda count myself as a classic fan. I only first discovered the old series about a year before the new series started. By that point, I was sufficiently intrigued by the old series to be very excited about the premiere of the new series. But it took a while for me to get adjusted to the more leisurely rhythms of the classic series. Honestly, I'm not sure I would have made the effort to acquire the taste had I not been in kind of a sci-fi lull at that particular point. (Angel had just been cancelled, I was bored with Enterprise, and I think I was between seasons on Stargate SG-1.) I'm very glad all the stars aligned at that particular point to allow me to get into classic Who at that point.

I sometimes suspect that, had I started with the new series, I never would have given the classic series a real chance. I probably would have quit after having been largely bored & confused with "Spearhead from Space" the first time out. (It's actually an excellent story but a very difficult one to start out with because the TARDIS is barely involved. Instead, it's the start of the new format in the early Jon Pertwee years where the Doctor is exiled to Earth and works as scientific advisor for UNIT.)

sbk1234 wrote:

Thanks for your help.
Convert me!

"Once you are converted, you will help us delete the one known as 'Doctor.'"

sbk1234 wrote:

And if all of this companions are as cute as Rose, I'm definately watching more.

She's a decent cutie but I prefer me some Amy goodness! Martha's not too bad either. And Clara just has perfect skin....

Yeah, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

MacLeod · January 20 2013, 12:22 AM

^It's the Scottish accent with Amy.

sbk1234 · January 20 2013, 04:58 AM

And now my 7-year-old daughter has started watching with me. She got all excited when I played the theme song on the car CD player. It was also adorable to hear her try to explain it to her little friend.
Right now I'm proud of myself as a parent.

MacLeod · January 20 2013, 11:29 AM

Just out of curisoty which version of the Theme (as they've been quite a few over the decades)

Guy Gardener · January 20 2013, 11:41 AM

The web of time or the first rule of time.

Some points in time are fixed.

If he saves his people, the Daleks survive and destroy everyone else.

MacLeod · January 20 2013, 12:10 PM

See "The End of Time"for info on what would happen if the Timelords where still around.

Australis · January 20 2013, 01:35 PM

The Time War. A time loop is a simple weapon. There are weapons we can't imagine, like the Nightmare Child and the Could-have-been-King and his Army of Meanwhiles and Neverweres, and Dalek weapons the Skaro Degradations and the Horde of Travesties. You'll find out a lot more, but only in hints and clues as you watch more.

sbk1234 · January 20 2013, 05:11 PM

MacLeod wrote:

Just out of curisoty which version of the Theme (as they've been quite a few over the decades)

I'm not sure, as it's on a sci-fi collection CD. I think it's the most recent.

sbk1234 · January 25 2013, 07:54 AM

Just watched Blink. Wow.

MacLeod · January 25 2013, 06:16 PM

"Blink" is definatly a highlight of DW since it's return.

Cutter John · January 27 2013, 09:16 AM

Oh yes, that's the good stuff.

DalekJim · January 27 2013, 11:43 AM

MacLeod wrote:

See "The End of Time"for info on what would happen if the Timelords where still around.

They'd... stand there and do nothing for 5 minutes before being vanquished in time for 30 minutes of crying and Murray Gold?

sbk1234 · February 11 2013, 01:30 AM

I just got to Matt Smith. He'll take some getting used to. I really want to like him.

Unrealated question. When in the context of the series did Gallifrey get destroyed? Has it always been "gone" based on the Doctor's "now?" or did it happen after the show had already started. I don't know why, but I seem to remember something about it happening around the time of the 8th Doctor.

January 19 2013, 11:18 PM	#62
MacLeod Vice Admiral Location: Great Britain	Re: Where do I start? Well the Doctor would say he "Borrowed" his TARDIS. To expand somewhat as well as soon as the Doctor becomes part of events he then can't go back. As it would be crossing his own timeline. __________________ On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.

January 20 2013, 12:22 AM	#64
MacLeod Vice Admiral Location: Great Britain	Re: Where do I start? ^It's the Scottish accent with Amy. __________________ On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.

January 20 2013, 04:58 AM	#65
sbk1234 Rear Admiral Location: Los Angeles	Re: Where do I start? And now my 7-year-old daughter has started watching with me. She got all excited when I played the theme song on the car CD player. It was also adorable to hear her try to explain it to her little friend. Right now I'm proud of myself as a parent. __________________ In all the history of the world, a riot has NEVER broken out at a Sci-Fi convention. "It's a fucking TV show!" - Gary Lockwood

January 20 2013, 11:29 AM	#66
MacLeod Vice Admiral Location: Great Britain	Re: Where do I start? Just out of curisoty which version of the Theme (as they've been quite a few over the decades) __________________ On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.

January 20 2013, 11:41 AM	#67
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: Where do I start? The web of time or the first rule of time. Some points in time are fixed. If he saves his people, the Daleks survive and destroy everyone else. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

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January 20 2013, 12:10 PM	#68
MacLeod Vice Admiral Location: Great Britain	Re: Where do I start? See "The End of Time"for info on what would happen if the Timelords where still around. __________________ On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.

January 20 2013, 01:35 PM	#69
Australis Writer Location: The Electric Age	Re: Where do I start? The Time War. A time loop is a simple weapon. There are weapons we can't imagine, like the Nightmare Child and the Could-have-been-King and his Army of Meanwhiles and Neverweres, and Dalek weapons the Skaro Degradations and the Horde of Travesties. You'll find out a lot more, but only in hints and clues as you watch more. __________________ I will not accept tyranny, any tyranny, even that of Heaven - Terry Pratchett. Always choose cognac over cocaine. -- Jon Lord

January 25 2013, 07:54 AM	#71
sbk1234 Rear Admiral Location: Los Angeles	Re: Where do I start? Just watched Blink. Wow. __________________ In all the history of the world, a riot has NEVER broken out at a Sci-Fi convention. "It's a fucking TV show!" - Gary Lockwood

January 25 2013, 06:16 PM	#72
MacLeod Vice Admiral Location: Great Britain	Re: Where do I start? "Blink" is definatly a highlight of DW since it's return. __________________ On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.

January 27 2013, 09:16 AM	#73
Cutter John Rear Admiral Location: Beyond the wall of sleep, just south of Seattle.	Re: Where do I start? Oh yes, that's the good stuff. __________________ "The way I see it, every life is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don't always soften the bad things. But vice versa, the bad things don't necessarily spoil the good things or make them unimportant."

February 11 2013, 01:30 AM	#75
sbk1234 Rear Admiral Location: Los Angeles	Re: Where do I start? I just got to Matt Smith. He'll take some getting used to. I really want to like him. Unrealated question. When in the context of the series did Gallifrey get destroyed? Has it always been "gone" based on the Doctor's "now?" or did it happen after the show had already started. I don't know why, but I seem to remember something about it happening around the time of the 8th Doctor. __________________ In all the history of the world, a riot has NEVER broken out at a Sci-Fi convention. "It's a fucking TV show!" - Gary Lockwood