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Old January 19 2013, 04:03 PM   #61
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Re: Uhura replacing McCoy/Bones?

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McCoy is not an action character
And Uhura is?
Especially comparatively speaking, yes.
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Old January 19 2013, 05:31 PM   #62
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Again: 28 seconds.
Still, 28 seconds is more than enough for Narada to raise shields.
But the Narada did not actually raise her shield so maybe these people know what they're doing. Not mentioning that narrative time doesn't work like real time and that the Narada doesn't actually exist (while kisses definitely do).
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Old January 19 2013, 05:33 PM   #63
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McCoy is not an action character
And Uhura is?
Especially comparatively speaking, yes.
Yeah, the dash to turbolift to make out with Spock probably necessitated a stunt double.
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Old January 19 2013, 05:46 PM   #64
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All the officers are potentially action characters because they are trained officers. The trick is using them in scenarios where they are useful and not shoe-horning them in.. So no, Uhura should not be sent on a mission instead of security staff (unless as the officer in charge) but yes, she should be sent on a mission where her skills (computer expertise and fluent Romulan) might be of vital importance.

I'm also an advocate of Janice Rand being given some air time. She could well be Kirk's Yeoman and would therefore have a reason to accompany him on missions but give her security training as well and she becomes a potential action character. They've done this in the comics, although at the moment we've never seen Rand actually function as Kirk's Yeoman so their close relationship from TOS has yet to develop.

McCoy will always have a reason to be there since every away team needs a medic e.g. if Pike is injured. I think they missed a trick to use all four characters on the Narada.
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Old January 19 2013, 06:09 PM   #65
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All the officers are potentially action characters because they are trained officers. The trick is using them in scenarios where they are useful and not shoe-horning them in.. So no, Uhura should not be sent on a mission instead of security staff (unless as the officer in charge) but yes, she should be sent on a mission where her skills (computer expertise and fluent Romulan) might be of vital importance.
Right. The trick is not to put them into a situation that seems unbelievable for that character and his or her position and expertise. Giving McCoy a phaser and telling him to go shoot some Klingons doesn't make sense. Or, suiting him up to space jump down to a Romulan drilling rig would be ludicrous.

That said, McCoy certainly seems to have an action scene in the first nine minutes of the movie, but it's also one more suited to his character and wasn't intended to turn out as it did. But, I'd expect to see Sulu or Chekov, or even Uhura on Kronos with Kirk and Spock before McCoy.

Parenthetically, am I right to think that the only time we saw McCoy fire a weapon was when he killed the salt monster in "The Mantrap"?
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Old January 19 2013, 06:20 PM   #66
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All the officers are potentially action characters because they are trained officers. The trick is using them in scenarios where they are useful and not shoe-horning them in.. So no, Uhura should not be sent on a mission instead of security staff (unless as the officer in charge) but yes, she should be sent on a mission where her skills (computer expertise and fluent Romulan) might be of vital importance.
Right. The trick is not to put them into a situation that seems unbelievable for that character and his or her position and expertise. Giving McCoy a phaser and telling him to go shoot some Klingons doesn't make sense. Or, suiting him up to space jump down to a Romulan drilling rig would be ludicrous.

That said, McCoy certainly seems to have an action scene in the first nine minutes of the movie, but it's also one more suited to his character and wasn't intended to turn out as it did. But, I'd expect to see Sulu or Chekov, or even Uhura on Kronos with Kirk and Spock before McCoy.

Parenthetically, am I right to think that the only time we saw McCoy fire a weapon was when he killed the salt monster in "The Mantrap"?
A clasic example is Star Trek VI - despite having a ship full of engineers including some weapons experts and including Chekov who functioned as the ship's tactical officer during the second 5 year mission, Spock asks McCoy to help him modify the photon torpedo. Ok, we love McCoy but he had plenty to do in the movie - asking for his help was... illogical! Mind you they were not kind about Chekov's Knowledge of security protocols more generally. I don't think he made a good tactical officer...
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Old January 19 2013, 06:44 PM   #67
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All the officers are potentially action characters because they are trained officers. The trick is using them in scenarios where they are useful and not shoe-horning them in.. So no, Uhura should not be sent on a mission instead of security staff (unless as the officer in charge) but yes, she should be sent on a mission where her skills (computer expertise and fluent Romulan) might be of vital importance.
Right. The trick is not to put them into a situation that seems unbelievable for that character and his or her position and expertise. Giving McCoy a phaser and telling him to go shoot some Klingons doesn't make sense. Or, suiting him up to space jump down to a Romulan drilling rig would be ludicrous.

That said, McCoy certainly seems to have an action scene in the first nine minutes of the movie, but it's also one more suited to his character and wasn't intended to turn out as it did. But, I'd expect to see Sulu or Chekov, or even Uhura on Kronos with Kirk and Spock before McCoy.

Parenthetically, am I right to think that the only time we saw McCoy fire a weapon was when he killed the salt monster in "The Mantrap"?
A clasic example is Star Trek VI - despite having a ship full of engineers including some weapons experts and including Chekov who functioned as the ship's tactical officer during the second 5 year mission, Spock asks McCoy to help him modify the photon torpedo. Ok, we love McCoy but he had plenty to do in the movie - asking for his help was... illogical!
Illogical, yes. Unless Spock just needed a pair of fast and deft hands used to working under pressure to simply follow his instructions, and McCoy was around at the right time. (See, there's an explanation for everything. )
Still, it really doesn't pass the "sniff test." That is, in 2013, could you imagine a ship's surgeon on a submarine assisting a technician in modifying a torpedo? Still, for sentimental reasons (last movie and giving McCoy a role in the climactic scene) it's never really bothered me.

I'm fine with Uhura apparently being bumped up in terms of action and interaction with Kirk and Spock. There's room for everyone. But in that context, her relationship with Spock should pass the sniff test, too.

In the "Star Trek Guide" for writers (from TOS), it asked the reader (potential script writer) to spot the format error in a teaser where the ship faced destruction. In the final seconds, the captain turns and hugs his female yeoman, who was standing next to him. That turned out to be the format error. The standard of believability for the producers was whether or not you could imagine something like that happening on a real naval vessel in the 1960s. That is, would it seem perfectly normal for a captain whose ship looked like it was about to be destroyed to turn to a WAVE on the bridge and give her a hug?

Based on that test, I can't imagine the scene with Uhura and Spock in the turbolift or the one on the transporter pad (which was worse IMO) because I can't see it playing out on an aircraft carrier, today in a similar time of crisis. Can you see a female sailor in 2013 whose friend is seconds from embarking on a dangerous mission come up to him and say good-by to him in front of everyone the way Uhura did to Spock? But that's just me. And of course, producers can just reformat things.
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Old January 19 2013, 07:51 PM   #68
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Parenthetically, am I right to think that the only time we saw McCoy fire a weapon was when he killed the salt monster in "The Mantrap"?
There may have been more, but at least one other time comes readily to mind.

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Old January 19 2013, 08:13 PM   #69
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But not in the transporter room.
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Old January 19 2013, 10:04 PM   #70
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Parenthetically, am I right to think that the only time we saw McCoy fire a weapon was when he killed the salt monster in "The Mantrap"?
There may have been more, but at least one other time comes readily to mind.

In fact, I think McCoy kills more creatures/people with a hand phaser than Kirk did.

McCoy (2)
Kirk (1) In that ep also.

I had a discussion about this a long time ago on the TOS newsgroup. It included such fasssscinating minutia such as did the Klingon he shot in "Errand of Mercy" survive that long fall. And did Kirk have his phaser set on kill near the end of ST III.

Meanwhile NuKirk in his very first appearance offs about 15 guys.

re the kissing scene: Guys, guys...that kind of thing is simply Abrams weakness. Alias and Lost were rife with that sort of thing. We simply have to accept it and move on....just be glad that Paula Cole didn't start playing in the background.
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Old January 20 2013, 12:10 AM   #71
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re the kissing scene: Guys, guys...that kind of thing is simply Abrams weakness. Alias and Lost were rife with that sort of thing.
Meh. I've seen little of either show but, as was pointed out upthread, it's not uniquely an Abrams thing - just a movie thing.

It's not as if real-world elapsed time and in-story elapsed time are moving at a 1:1 synch rate, anyway. That 28-second(?) kissing scene? In actuality, it occupies only 5 seconds of story time - tops. Consider the "tense and dramatic countdown to near-certain oblivion" sequence which, in countless movies and Star Trek episodes, takes as much as three and a half real-world minutes to play out (not counting the interruption for station break/adverts) - it's same deal. In story time, it really is a sixty-second or thirty-second or ten-second countdown, and not one second more than the time being counted off. It just requires more real-world screen time to fit in all of the meaningful looks and drama and stuff, right?
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Old January 20 2013, 12:29 AM   #72
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Again: 28 seconds.
Still, 28 seconds is more than enough for Narada to raise shields.
But the Narada did not actually raise her shield so maybe these people know what they're doing.
To quote nuSpock: "That is not it".

Not mentioning that ... the Narada doesn't actually exist ... .
Well that's gone and ruined the whole movie for me (again).
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Still, 28 seconds is more than enough for Narada to raise shields.
But the Narada did not actually raise her shield so maybe these people know what they're doing.
To quote nuSpock: "That is not it".
Actually I feel that it's a fairly relevant point. Discussing hypotheticals is fun, but it ventures into the absurd once you start bashing movies for the potential consequences of a character's action, consequences which did not actually happened onscreen or anywhere else. "How can they spend those 28 seconds kissing? The Narada could have raised shields!" "But it didn't. Why are we talking about that?"
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But the Narada did not actually raise her shield so maybe these people know what they're doing.
To quote nuSpock: "That is not it".
Actually I feel that it's a fairly relevant point. Discussing hypotheticals is fun, but it ventures into the absurd once you start bashing movies for the potential consequences of a character's action, consequences which did not actually happened onscreen or anywhere else. "How can they spend those 28 seconds kissing? The Narada could have raised shields!" "But it didn't. Why are we talking about that?"
I think the derision of the scene is just a way of expressing, "Why is this woman cockblocking the Bromance damnit??!!"
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To quote nuSpock: "That is not it".
Actually I feel that it's a fairly relevant point.
The Narada's crew reading the script is a relevant point? Shields or not, they could have stared drilling at any time. There wasn't a moment to lose. Hurry hurry, mush mush, action, tension and what-not!

Discussing hypotheticals is fun, but it ventures into the absurd once you start bashing movies for the potential consequences of a character's action, consequences which did not actually happened onscreen or anywhere else.
Then this forum is in big trouble mister. By the way, if they had happened, we wouldn't need to bash them for being "potential consequences".

"How can they spend those 28 seconds kissing? The Narada could have raised shields!". Why are we talking about that?"
It goes to believability m'Lord.
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