Uhura replacing McCoy/Bones?

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Doing the finger-touch thing would have been dramatically stupid. You want the audience to care at that moment; servicing trekkies is not the point.

[teacake]

What if they did the Q finger-touch thing?

[The Mirrorball Man]

We know what a kiss is, we know what it stands for, we enjoy kissing, there is an emotional impact in showing a kiss that is completely absent from a made-up sci-fi gesture like the Sarek finger thing.

And no, showing emotions in a movie is not "offensive". It's pretty much the only way to make sure that the audience feels any connection to the characters. Yes, apparently, some people can't connect with fictional characters, others can't relate to other people's emotions, but tailoring movies for these minorities wouldn't be a smart idea.

[Gov Kodos]

TOS finger touching or snogging Zoe Saldana... tough decision... I can imagine the audience reaction to the kiss: Cool, tough luck Kirk, oooh... and other responses. To finger touching: What the hell is that? Vulcan kissing sucks ass...

[Pauln6]

Does the ending of Casablanca lack emotional impact because they don't suck face?

Plus as I said, they could establish the finger touch as a sign of affection earlier in the movie. Plus, while I would prefer the finger touch, it's the fact that the scene goes on for as long as it does that is my main issue. It showed the characters as too self-indulgent - an unintentional theme that runs through the whole movie in fact.

[teacake]

Sarek was very uptight so of course Amanda never talked him into kissing.

Spock though.. he's still in his "live long and prosper" aka fuck you phase to the establishment. Making his human lady happy with kissing was probably some rebellion to start out with and now he's a bit of a convert. I'm sure they secretly touch fingers when they are alone.

[Gov Kodos]

Worrying about the accretion of lore from hundreds of hours of films past is what made Trek progressively uninteresting to folks at large and brought the franchise to a dead halt. I'm quite happy they made it as they did, playing for a new audience rather than playing to the small audience of hardcore Trek fans who care about such minutia.

[teacake]

Pauln6 wrote:

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Plus, while I would prefer the finger touch, it's the fact that the scene goes on for as long as it does that is my main issue. It showed the characters as too self-indulgent - an unintentional theme that runs through the whole movie in fact.

Every single emotional scene that takes place in a movie right before something is about to potentially blow up is self indulgent.

[Pauln6]

Gov Kodos wrote:

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Worrying about the accretion of lore from hundreds of hours of films past is what made Trek progressively uninteresting to folks at large and brought the franchise to a dead halt. I'm quite happy they made it as they did, playing for a new audience rather than playing to the small audience of hardcore Trek fans who care about such minutia.

While it's a valid point about lore overall, I don't thnk it applies to finger touching. It's something visual that takes all of two seconds to establish in the lift - they touch fingers just before Uhura leaves - it really, really isn't that confusing - he's a touch telepath - that is established in the movie as well. And once again, the point is not about the minutia - it's about the characters, a degree of realism even within a fantasy franchise, and the general approach to schmaltz in Hollywood.

The scene with Han and Leia in Empire Strikes back was just about perfection as far as timing and emotion was concerned. The scene in NuTrek dragged at a time of crisis. Or at least that was my perception.

[The Mirrorball Man]

Pauln6 wrote:

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Does the ending of Casablanca lack emotional impact because they don't suck face?

Plus as I said, they could establish the finger touch as a sign of affection earlier in the movie. Plus, while I would prefer the finger touch, it's the fact that the scene goes on for as long as it does that is my main issue.

The scene is 28 seconds long, and they're not "sucking face", they're kissing. If you don't care about the difference, you may belong to one of the minorities that I talked about earlier.

[Shazam!]

Franklin wrote:

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McCoy is not an action character

And Uhura is?

[Ovation]

Gov Kodos wrote:

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Worrying about the accretion of lore from hundreds of hours of films past is what made Trek progressively uninteresting to folks at large and brought the franchise to a dead halt. I'm quite happy they made it as they did, playing for a new audience rather than playing to the small audience of hardcore Trek fans who care about such minutia.

Quite so.

teacake wrote:

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Every single emotional scene that takes place in a movie right before something is about to potentially blow up is self indulgent.

And if we were to excise every film that includes such a scene from the vast collection of films in the world--the remaining list would be rather short.

[Pauln6]

Oh well, there's no point in a circular debate I suppose. But once again, I'm NOT advocating excising every romantic scene in every movie I'm simply saying that some romantic scenes drag when shoved in and allowed to be too long and indulgent during times of crisis.

Maybe the majority liked the scene. It does not automatically follow that that they would not have liked it more if it had been more urgent, more desperate, and more tragic like Leia being pulled away from Han just before he goes off to potential death in the carbon freezing chamber.

IMHO.

[The Mirrorball Man]

Again: 28 seconds.

[Pauln6]

The Mirrorball Man wrote:

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Again: 28 seconds.

Still, 28 seconds is more than enough for Narada to raise shields.

I haven't watched the movie recently to debate which parts of the scene I felt needed to be trimmed or altered. But again that doesn't mean the scene could have been improved upon again IMHO. The whole scene was definitely longer than 28 seconds and the kiss was unhurried. The scene felt too indulgent, like some other scenes in the movie.