Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread - Page 131

Harvey · January 18 2013, 09:53 PM

Burnett's argument -- that HTV met the requirements of the job and that CBS Digital exceeded them -- would be more persuasive if CBS hadn't removed HTV from the project after the negative reviews came in for their work on season two.

Of course, since he's still working for CBS, it's hard to imagine him answering the question any other way.

Beta-Z · January 18 2013, 10:18 PM

Harvey wrote:

Burnett's argument -- ...-- would be more persuasive if CBS hadn't removed HTV from the project

Maybe HTV wasn't removed at all. How can we know? Why aren't they telling us the name of the "new" company?

MickJo1701 · January 18 2013, 10:31 PM

Beta-Z wrote:

Harvey wrote:

Burnett's argument -- ...-- would be more persuasive if CBS hadn't removed HTV from the project

Maybe HTV wasn't removed at all. How can we know? Why aren't they telling us the name of the "new" company?

It was confirmed on TrekCore that HTV was to have no part in remastering further seasons. We can only hope history does not repeat itself with the new unnamed FX house.

Maxwell Everett · January 18 2013, 11:45 PM

Beta-Z wrote:

Harvey wrote:

Burnett's argument -- ...-- would be more persuasive if CBS hadn't removed HTV from the project

Maybe HTV wasn't removed at all. How can we know? Why aren't they telling us the name of the "new" company?

CBS is a corporation and corporations don't like leaks. Look what happened when Burnett let it slip that they were planning to bring TAS to Blu-ray -- CBS went apoplectic and asked him to contact TrekCore and claim he was only assuming and giving his opinion.* They only want us to know when they want us to know.

* Just want to clarify that this is only my opinion.

Dac · January 19 2013, 12:14 AM

I think theres a clue in the fact were getting a BD release of Best of Both Worlds One AND Two on the same day they release Season 3.

My money is on CBS-D keeping it in house this time out, at least for 4 and 5. Maybe they'll lease it out again come Season 6 though.

SonicRanger · January 19 2013, 08:35 AM

I wish that Robert Meyer Burnett would realise that directing Free Enterprise and producing bonus materials for a series filmed over two decades ago doesn't make him a Star Trek insider or anything more than a high-profile fan. His opinions matter about as much as Bjo Trimble's.

tomalak301 · January 19 2013, 08:39 AM

SonicRanger wrote:

I wish that Robert Meyer Burnett would realise that directing Free Enterprise and producing bonus materials for a series filmed over two decades ago doesn't make him a Star Trek or anything more than a high-profile fan. His opinions matter about as much as Bjo Trimble's.

what's wrong with someone giving an opinion in an interview. That's what we do here all the time. If it has anything to do with a holier than thou attitude, then that's been part of the trek franchise since the original series. Nothing new there.

FrontierTrek · January 19 2013, 10:19 AM

Dac wrote:

I think theres a clue in the fact were getting a BD release of Best of Both Worlds One AND Two on the same day they release Season 3.

My money is on CBS-D keeping it in house this time out, at least for 4 and 5. Maybe they'll lease it out again come Season 6 though.

Nope, Season 4 is being done by an external post-house. 5 is being done be CBS-D, perhaps 6 too depending on schedules.

Scotty · January 19 2013, 11:47 AM

FrontierTrek wrote:

Dac wrote:

I think theres a clue in the fact were getting a BD release of Best of Both Worlds One AND Two on the same day they release Season 3.

My money is on CBS-D keeping it in house this time out, at least for 4 and 5. Maybe they'll lease it out again come Season 6 though.

Nope, Season 4 is being done by an external post-house. 5 is being done be CBS-D, perhaps 6 too depending on schedules.

I thought that only the visual effects were being done by an external effects company for season 4 and that CBS-D was still supervizing the remastering.

FrontierTrek · January 19 2013, 12:47 PM

Scotty wrote:

I thought that only the visual effects were being done by an external effects company for season 4 and that CBS-D was still supervizing the remastering.

CBS-D are working on the conform for S4, VFX are indeed outsourced. They hope to be able to guide the VFX if time and resources permit.

NewHorizon · January 19 2013, 01:09 PM

FrontierTrek wrote:

They hope to be able to guide the VFX if time and resources permit.

They only 'hope' to be able to guide the VFX?

Has their parent company CBS not learned anything from Season 2? They're still insisting on holding CBS-D to impossible timelines?

For goodness sake, this is ridiculous. CBS, give CBS-D an extra month per season at the very least, and allow them to ensure the quality is consistent this time. Do they not care about their investment? This is a complicated project, it can't just be slapped together.

FrontierTrek · January 19 2013, 03:09 PM

NewHorizon wrote:

FrontierTrek wrote:

They hope to be able to guide the VFX if time and resources permit.

They only 'hope' to be able to guide the VFX?

Has their parent company CBS not learned anything from Season 2? They're still insisting on holding CBS-D to impossible timelines?

For goodness sake, this is ridiculous. CBS, give CBS-D an extra month per season at the very least, and allow them to ensure the quality is consistent this time. Do they not care about their investment? This is a complicated project, it can't just be slapped together.

Don't rush to judgement so quickly! Season 4 is a way off yet, we haven't seen the work, it's a different company and - as I mentioned - CBS-D hope to guide the VFX.

NewHorizon · January 19 2013, 03:21 PM

FrontierTrek wrote:

Don't rush to judgement so quickly! Season 4 is a way off yet, we haven't seen the work, it's a different company and - as I mentioned - CBS-D hope to guide the VFX.

Oh, I'm not judging the final product yet but rather CBS's apparent insistence that CBS-D and whatever companies they outsource too meet these tight deadlines.

It's one thing to have set some initial guidelines before they knew just how much work there was, but now that two Seasons are finished CBS should have the sense to reassess the deadlines and grant a little extra breathing space to protect the quality of their investment in this project.

jimbotron · January 19 2013, 07:49 PM

TrekCore, thanks for posting pics from The Schizoid Man.

When watching, I noticed an odd choice from HTV. When the Enterprise warps away from Graves' World, there is no transition to the 2-foot model. It remains the 6-footer.

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...man_hd_059.jpg

Compared to CBS-D's work:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...int_hd_042.jpg

They 'cheated' the effect by using a still image, and then stretched and shrunk it. I don't understand why they would redo a stock effect completely from scratch without using the correct element.

NewHorizon · January 19 2013, 08:33 PM

Unreal. They've got some real pros at HTV.

January 18 2013, 09:53 PM	#1951
Harvey Admiral	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread Burnett's argument -- that HTV met the requirements of the job and that CBS Digital exceeded them -- would be more persuasive if CBS hadn't removed HTV from the project after the negative reviews came in for their work on season two. Of course, since he's still working for CBS, it's hard to imagine him answering the question any other way. __________________ "What do you hear, Starbuck?" "Nothing but the rain, sir." "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat."

January 19 2013, 12:14 AM	#1955
Dac Commodore Location: The Essex wastes...	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread I think theres a clue in the fact were getting a BD release of Best of Both Worlds One AND Two on the same day they release Season 3. My money is on CBS-D keeping it in house this time out, at least for 4 and 5. Maybe they'll lease it out again come Season 6 though.

January 19 2013, 08:35 AM	#1956
SonicRanger Rear Admiral Location: Sheffield, England	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread I wish that Robert Meyer Burnett would realise that directing Free Enterprise and producing bonus materials for a series filmed over two decades ago doesn't make him a Star Trek insider or anything more than a high-profile fan. His opinions matter about as much as Bjo Trimble's. __________________ "STAR TREK is... Action - Adventure - Science Fiction." -- Gene Roddenberry, 1964, top of the first page of his original pitch and outline for Star Trek

January 19 2013, 07:49 PM	#1964
jimbotron Commander Location: Bay Area, CA	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread TrekCore, thanks for posting pics from The Schizoid Man. When watching, I noticed an odd choice from HTV. When the Enterprise warps away from Graves' World, there is no transition to the 2-foot model. It remains the 6-footer. http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...man_hd_059.jpg Compared to CBS-D's work: http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...int_hd_042.jpg They 'cheated' the effect by using a still image, and then stretched and shrunk it. I don't understand why they would redo a stock effect completely from scratch without using the correct element.

January 19 2013, 08:33 PM	#1965
NewHorizon Commander	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread Unreal. They've got some real pros at HTV.

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