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Old January 18 2013, 06:00 PM   #31
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Re: DS9, Worf and Continuity.

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As far as Alexander's first appearance goes, when K'Ehleyr first appeared, it seemed Worf had already had a previous relationship with her, so, I assumed she already had Alexander from that previous relationship, and just didn't bother telling Worf about him?
Watch "The Emissary."
Yea, when she came onboard it seemed like he was already bitter with her, because of a previous relationship, and the Holoprogram and then the bonding rejection was just more of the same as their previous encounter. I mean, yea, obviously Alexander could be the result of that encounter, but, it didn't seem conclusive at all to me he definitely was.
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Old January 18 2013, 06:05 PM   #32
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Old January 18 2013, 07:23 PM   #33
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As far as Alexander's first appearance goes, when K'Ehleyr first appeared, it seemed Worf had already had a previous relationship with her, so, I assumed she already had Alexander from that previous relationship, and just didn't bother telling Worf about him? So, I never questioned him being about6 on his first appearance.

But, yea, Teenager Alexander was definitely a case of Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome (SORAS)
It was strongly implied by the two of them that their encounter during that episode was the first time they'd had sex. After it's over K'Ehleyr asks why didn't they do this a long time ago and Worf spouts off about honor and being too young. But that is definitely one explanation of his age, that he was already around, I just don't think the "evidence" backs it up.
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Old January 18 2013, 07:31 PM   #34
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I miss K'Ehleyr. She is one of my all time favorite Trek characters. Plakson was just so boss.

And really, there was no reason to kill her. The actual impact on Worf was pretty insignificant--in that it was pretty much forgotten about two episodes later. And as this thread shows, the whole Alexander thing never worked out anyway.
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Old January 18 2013, 08:01 PM   #35
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Nope. They do acknowledge (often by Worf saying so) that he was never a very good father, though he did give it a try at least a couple times. Also, when Alexander went back to Earth (presumably following "Generations" and the loss of his home, but really at any point from "Birthright" onwards), it was arguably so that Worf can so his post-Troi solo soul searching or whatever (no families on Boreth?) and there's no reason to believe that the two would not be reunited at some point following that.

Then Worf got called to DS9 and the Klingon tensions got bad, Worf got offered a promotion, and it wouldn't be a very safe place for Alexander and his heritage to be caught in the middle. Then Klingon stuff got better but the Dominion War started almost immediately after. Was Worf in the wrong place in the wrong time? Was he really running away or was it equally the circumstances that kept him from bringing Alexander to DS9?

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Old January 18 2013, 09:00 PM   #36
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Re: DS9, Worf and Continuity.

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As far as Alexander's first appearance goes, when K'Ehleyr first appeared, it seemed Worf had already had a previous relationship with her, so, I assumed she already had Alexander from that previous relationship, and just didn't bother telling Worf about him? So, I never questioned him being about6 on his first appearance.

But, yea, Teenager Alexander was definitely a case of Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome (SORAS)
It was strongly implied by the two of them that their encounter during that episode was the first time they'd had sex. After it's over K'Ehleyr asks why didn't they do this a long time ago and Worf spouts off about honor and being too young. But that is definitely one explanation of his age, that he was already around, I just don't think the "evidence" backs it up.
Ah, OK, I didn't catch onto that clue. Still strange, the bitterness he greeted her with, seemed like sex must've been previously involved, but, maybe that was just because they didn't previously have sex because of his "No sex before marriage" stance
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Old January 19 2013, 02:34 AM   #37
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As far as Alexander's first appearance goes, when K'Ehleyr first appeared, it seemed Worf had already had a previous relationship with her, so, I assumed she already had Alexander from that previous relationship, and just didn't bother telling Worf about him? So, I never questioned him being about6 on his first appearance.
In New Ground Alexander tells his teacher the stardate he was born on (43205) which places his birth in TNG's third season. Therefore he was conceived during The Emissary.
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Nope. They do acknowledge (often by Worf saying so) that he was never a very good father, though he did give it a try at least a couple times. Also, when Alexander went back to Earth (presumably following "Generations" and the loss of his home, but really at any point from "Birthright" onwards), it was arguably so that Worf can so his post-Troi solo soul searching or whatever (no families on Boreth?) and there's no reason to believe that the two would not be reunited at some point following that.

Then Worf got called to DS9 and the Klingon tensions got bad, Worf got offered a promotion, and it wouldn't be a very safe place for Alexander and his heritage to be caught in the middle. Then Klingon stuff got better but the Dominion War started almost immediately after. Was Worf in the wrong place in the wrong time? Was he really running away or was it equally the circumstances that kept him from bringing Alexander to DS9?

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I think I can agree with most of your points. It would make sense that Alexander go to Earth after the Enterprise was destroyed in Generations and while Worf was being all emo on Boreth he would have stayed with his grandparents. BUT Worf still gets the worst father ever award for not even knowing his kid had run away from home. I guess he was too busy getting it on with Dax to call home periodically
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