DS9, Worf and Continuity.

[JirinPanthosa]

In season one O'Brien was a helmsman ensign, and a security officer ensign. In season two he ran the transporter but he was a lieutenant. He wasn't even a noncom until season three. I'd say if we're going to get upset about continuity that's a bigger issue.

[The Wormhole]

O'Brien and Worf didn't have any on screen interaction when they wore red. They weren't even in the same scenes together, except for AGT which was an alternate timeline anyway.

[Worf'sParmach]

I think there are several other more worthy 'Worf to DS9' continuity nit-picks than this one. Things like this:

TNG (New Ground): Helena brings Alexander back to Worf on the Enterprise because she and Sergey are too old to handle him.

TNG (Firstborn): Worf adamantly opposes K'mtar trying to send Alexander to boarding school, arguing that his son belongs with him.

DS9: Worf sends his son to live with his now even older parents who didn't want the kid just a few years ago.

Freman wrote:

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This is the stupidest nitpick I've ever heard. Really? I wore a black shirt today. My girlfriend said I looked good in black. Guess what? I wore a black shirt a couple of days ago too.

[Seven of Five]

Oh yeah.

I felt a bit sorry for Alexander being sent back to Earth again, and especially Worf's family. However, Alexander was a truly terrible character, so I didn't miss him. And then when he finally did show up, he helped but the brakes on the otherwise excellent Occupation arc.

[The Wormhole]

Worf'sParmach wrote:

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I think there are several other more worthy 'Worf to DS9' continuity nit-picks than this one. Things like this:

TNG (New Ground): Helena brings Alexander back to Worf on the Enterprise because she and Sergey are too old to handle him.

TNG (Firstborn): Worf adamantly opposes K'mtar trying to send Alexander to boarding school, arguing that his son belongs with him.

DS9: Worf sends his son to live with his now even older parents who didn't want the kid just a few years ago.

That's easy enough to rationalize. While living with his grandparents the first time, Alexander was acting out because his mother had just died and the father he just met had abandoned him. After a year of this, Worf's parents had enough of this and felt Worf should just man up and raise his own son. Several years of bonding with his father while playing cowboy holodeck programs and taking mudbaths obviously calmed Alexander down enough so that when he returned to Earth and his grandparents (presumably of his own accord, this time) he was better behaved and so the Rozhenkos had no problem with him being around.

As for the boarding school, Worf knew Alexander woudn't last at Klingon school. As it was, Alexander was pretty socially awkward when he first arrived on the Rotarran.

[Tosk]

The Wormhole wrote:

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Several years of bonding with his father while playing cowboy holodeck programs and taking mudbaths obviously calmed Alexander down enough so that when he returned to Earth and his grandparents (presumably of his own accord, this time) he was better behaved and so the Rozhenkos had no problem with him being around.

And even more than that, he was getting old enough that he could actually be a help to the aging couple rather than a burden.

[Worf'sParmach]

I think your rationales work in hindsight, but in reality I think TPTB just didn't want/need two single dads on DS9, so Alexander had to go even if t went against some plot points established on TNG.

[Dukhat]

Worf'sParmach wrote:

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I think there are several other more worthy 'Worf to DS9' continuity nit-picks than this one. Things like this:

TNG (New Ground): Helena brings Alexander back to Worf on the Enterprise because she and Sergey are too old to handle him.

TNG (Firstborn): Worf adamantly opposes K'mtar trying to send Alexander to boarding school, arguing that his son belongs with him.

DS9: Worf sends his son to live with his now even older parents who didn't want the kid just a few years ago.

Never mind the fact that DS9's Alexander should be the age of, what, like 8? Instead we see someone who looks at the least like a teenager.

[MacLeod]

^8 in human years.

[indolover]

Worf'sParmach wrote:

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I think there are several other more worthy 'Worf to DS9' continuity nit-picks than this one. Things like this:

TNG (New Ground): Helena brings Alexander back to Worf on the Enterprise because she and Sergey are too old to handle him.

TNG (Firstborn): Worf adamantly opposes K'mtar trying to send Alexander to boarding school, arguing that his son belongs with him.

DS9: Worf sends his son to live with his now even older parents who didn't want the kid just a few years ago.

So characters are not allowed to change their attitudes? Maybe Worf thought it was the honourable thing to do and raise his son on the ship?

[Tosk]

Worf'sParmach wrote:

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I think your rationales work in hindsight, but in reality I think TPTB just didn't want/need two single dads on DS9, so Alexander had to go even if t went against some plot points established on TNG.

Does the distinction really make a difference though?


Personally, I found Alexander's two DS9 appearances to be way more than enough, so I'm glad they gave him the boot.

[The Wormhole]

Dukhat wrote:

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Never mind the fact that DS9's Alexander should be the age of, what, like 8? Instead we see someone who looks at the least like a teenager.

Klingons age at a different rate than humans. Hell, even when he was first introduced in TNG he was only a year old and already a bit big for his age. Then when they made hima recurring character in season 5 he would only have been two, yet he looked like he was six or so. Being a teenager on DS9 is consistent with what was established.

[Worf'sParmach]

indolover wrote:

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So characters are not allowed to change their attitudes? Maybe Worf thought it was the honourable thing to do and raise his son on the ship?

I don't think I understand your question. The last we heard from Worf before he went to DS9 was that he did not want to be seperated from his son, that he wanted to raise him on the Enterprise ("Firstborn"). Then he makes an about face and decides to send him back to Earth with his parents, who'd already said they were too old to handle a Klingon child again. That obviously didn't work out because Alexander later runs away from his grandparents and joins the military ("Sons and Daughters")

On TNG, Worf's parenting was improving, culminating in his decisions about Alexander in Firstborn. DS9 pressed the reset button on all that and put him right back to being a crappy father. I get why they did it, one single father on DS9 was enough. It just added to the jack-assiness that I think characterised Worf on DS9 vs. Worf on TNG.

I have always felt that in terms of moving the Worf character from TNG to DS9, they really dropped the ball on Alexander. I agree with Tosk that he wasn't exactly missed, but giving him the boot in the manner that they did reflected badly on Worf's character. And then having Alexander come back and be a moron just made it worse.

The Wormhole wrote:

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Klingons age at a different rate than humans. Hell, even when he was first introduced in TNG he was only a year old and already a bit big for his age. Then when they made hima recurring character in season 5 he would only have been two, yet he looked like he was six or so. Being a teenager on DS9 is consistent with what was established.

The idea that Klingons age at a different rate than humans was never established officially, just assumed by fans based on how Alexander was presented and the fact that it would make sense for children to mature faster in a warrior culture. It's much easier for the actors to interact with an older child than an infant or toddler (which is what Alexander should have been when he was first introduced).

That said, I do agree that him being a teeanger on DS9 was definitely consistent with his severe case of TV Rapid Aging Syndrome

[Sindatur]

As far as Alexander's first appearance goes, when K'Ehleyr first appeared, it seemed Worf had already had a previous relationship with her, so, I assumed she already had Alexander from that previous relationship, and just didn't bother telling Worf about him? So, I never questioned him being about6 on his first appearance.

But, yea, Teenager Alexander was definitely a case of Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome (SORAS)

[Tosk]

Sindatur wrote:

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As far as Alexander's first appearance goes, when K'Ehleyr first appeared, it seemed Worf had already had a previous relationship with her, so, I assumed she already had Alexander from that previous relationship, and just didn't bother telling Worf about him?

Watch "The Emissary."