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Old January 17 2013, 11:28 PM   #16
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Re: Picardo: I Think I?ve Got The Worst Part

^I loved all that stuff. Annoying, sympathetic, and still a toaster.
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Old January 18 2013, 12:54 AM   #17
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He was great for about half the series, but started getting super annoying later on, with all the episodes about his rampant imagination, his "sexuality" and his fight for "holographic rights" etc etc.
....and here I thought that's what Trek was created for, silly me.
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Old January 18 2013, 03:40 AM   #18
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I don't think the philosophical question of whether artificial intelligence can be considered to have what we consider a 'soul' is preposterous. But I do think they were more elegant about discussing it in TNG.
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Old January 18 2013, 03:43 AM   #19
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Elegance, pfft.

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Old January 18 2013, 04:00 AM   #20
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I am so surprised that Picardo felt (initially) that he got the short end. His portrayal of the Doctor stole the show. The Doctor and Seven were my favorite characters.
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Old January 18 2013, 04:30 AM   #21
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He auditioned for Neelix.

And Bob would have stolen the show there as well.
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Old January 19 2013, 01:39 AM   #22
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He was great for about half the series, but started getting super annoying later on, with all the episodes about his rampant imagination, his "sexuality" and his fight for "holographic rights" etc etc.
....and here I thought that's what Trek was created for, silly me.
I think the annoying thing to me was trying to make me believe that a software that ran on Voyager's computer system was capable of having an overactive imagination, was capable of feeling the pleasure of sex, and was angry about perceived injustices towards it.

That's all.
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Old January 19 2013, 01:39 AM   #23
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How is this any different than Data?
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Old January 19 2013, 02:44 AM   #24
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Data was designed to be an AI.

It's not hard to make an unlimited AI.

The federation computers were designed to be beasts of burden.

They need limited or even retarded AI.

It's mean and stupid to give AI the capacity to recognize injustice and feel pain.

You'll be in for an insurrection post haste.
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Old January 19 2013, 02:56 AM   #25
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He was great for about half the series, but started getting super annoying later on, with all the episodes about his rampant imagination, his "sexuality" and his fight for "holographic rights" etc etc.
....and here I thought that's what Trek was created for, silly me.
I think the annoying thing to me was trying to make me believe that a software that ran on Voyager's computer system was capable of having an overactive imagination, was capable of feeling the pleasure of sex, and was angry about perceived injustices towards it.

That's all.
Then I guess "Blade Runner", "Alien" & "Demon Seed" must push you over the edge.
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Old January 19 2013, 02:58 AM   #26
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I am so surprised that Picardo felt (initially) that he got the short end.
When he read the Caretaker script, the Doctor was a small part with few lines, so he didn't see much growth potential. Fortunately, his adlibbing a line during the audition ("I'm a doctor, not a nightlight") may have won him the role.
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Old January 19 2013, 03:59 AM   #27
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I'll add my voice to the chorus agreeing Picardo was one of the best things about Voyager and kept it watchable amid all the Chakotay stinkers and Tom Paris shuttle crashes.
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Old January 20 2013, 02:22 AM   #28
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He auditioned for Neelix.

And Bob would have stolen the show there as well.
Didn't Tim Russ audition for Geordi?
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Old January 20 2013, 02:30 AM   #29
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It is true that Data was designed to mimic human sentience and the Doctor was not.

And it's clear that in Caretaker, the Doctor was not sentient. However, if you accept sentience of mechanical creatures in episodes like Evolution and Emergence gained sentience, then it follows that a program that is able to rewrite its own wiring according to new situations it comes across is capable of gaining sentience. (At least in the Trek universe)

It would have been cool if at some point The Doctor cited the precedent of Data vs Maddox to make the claim to treatment as a sentient being.
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Old January 20 2013, 02:46 AM   #30
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The Doctor was designed to mimic sentience to a point. Data was designed to be sentient. The Doctor is however a lot larger than Data, the whole of between the walls in sick bay (initially) and 40 years more advanced than what Soong was working with. Data is a stunning example of miniaturization and mobility, whereas the Doctor is neither. The Doctor may be able to appear more sentient than Data because his existence is the product of millions of competing engineers perfecting the science to a degree of hyper realism for the last 20 years, but seeming more "real" isn't what makes you sentient, it's about how you think, how you come to decisions and what limits the proccess.

Of course by that reasoning a Borg drone isn't sentient.

It isn't.

It's a sleeping person.
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