Petition CBS to fix the problems with TNG:S2 Blu. - Page 5

Finn · December 29 2012, 02:59 PM

I-Am-Prepared! wrote:

Finngle Bells wrote:

I-Am-Prepared! wrote:

What you're missing is that the more minor problems, such as misaligned lighting passes, simply serve to illustrate and amplify the general lack of care and polish that has gone into the restoration of Season 2 in a broader sense. I'm hardly a videophile, but having received the Blu-ray set for Christmas, I've been struck by how incredibly inconsistent the work is, especially in fundamental areas such as grain-matching (or lack thereof), overuse of DNR, poor compositing (especially in terms of lighting and colour timing), low resolution textures and so forth. None of these problematic issues are present in CBS-D's wonderful work on Season 1. Pausing and zooming for minor flaws would be unnecessarily nit-picky if they were the only failings, but instead they're simply indicative of much bigger problems.

If it looks fine to you, then more power to you. But when the quality of the restoration changes from shot to shot, bottom line it takes me out of the episode. The restoration work is sub-par in both major and minor ways, and people have a perfectly legitimate right to be disappointed. I agree that a petition is pointless, but don't accuse people of identifying problems that don't exist - because they do.

If you aren't a videophile, you wouldn't be using those terms like techobabble

grain-matching

Alas, another child of humankind with no grasp of nuance. I am not a "videophile", nor do I have the equipment or in-depth knowledge requisite, but I have a brain and am well-read and well-versed enough to be able to articulate my disappointment in specific terms. I appreciate your response, but next time, perhaps you could respond with substance. In the hope that it might further meaningful discourse. As opposed to emoticons and half-baked accusations.

You seem to be more of a videophile than most people. Your post seems to imply that being well-read and "well-versed" (In what?) makes one able to see and use those terms. It all depends on what you read, and what you are well versed in.

I have two degrees and currently working toward a third one, and I have no idea what those terms are. Obviously, none of those areas has anything to do with video.

I'd bet money that most Ph.Ds out there wouldn't know those terms either. You might not consider yourself one. But that won't keep from people seeing you that way. It's like being called hard core fan by someone just because I have one Star Trek DVD at home or thinking Calculus is advanced math. It's all about perceptions.

Solarbaby · January 15 2013, 03:57 AM

Carcazoid wrote:

Solarbaby wrote:

CBS promised us a hi def remastered version of a very dated show. It fell short of that. Its our money paying for this. Why accept less than the bar they set with season 1. Its all about the consumer.

Actually, until the production cost has been recovered, it's CBS' money paying for it.

And I hate to burst your bubble, but it's not all about the consumer. It's about making a profit for the company and its shareholders.

If I were a betting man, I'd say that the majority of consumers won't have a problem with the quality. So if CBS can pull that off, mission accomplished.

I haven't actually watched season2 HD yet so I can't say if it falls short of my own expectations. But many other have complained. In the UK we having trading standards. If merchandise doesn't meet the description or is faulty you are entitled to a refund without question. So where I live the consumers rights are paramount excuse the pun.

mos6507 · January 15 2013, 06:25 AM

There is a shot of the Enterprise in the remastered Cage where they rendered it in separate passes. The saucer is a separate pass, and when they composited it together, the saucer is kind of floating in front of the neck because the layers were out of order. They let that go all the way without being caught, and now it's there for posterity. When they redid ST:TMP, they only budgeted for standard def, and now we don't have a high-def TMP director's cut. Didn't they know HD was on the horizon? Pennywise, pound foolish. These things may seem minor to some, but hey, we're fans and we want to see things done meticulously. Do I expect any fixes to any of these things? Probably not, which is a shame.

uberfalcon · January 15 2013, 07:34 AM

Just bought seasons 1 & 2 on Blu-ray. Wish I would have joined this message board and seen this thread earlier. Joy.

tomalak301 · January 15 2013, 09:12 PM

uberfalcon wrote:

Just bought seasons 1 & 2 on Blu-ray. Wish I would have joined this message board and seen this thread earlier. Joy.

Season 1 is beautiful. You'll at least like that one.

Lance · January 16 2013, 02:43 PM

It does remind me of the original Doctor Who DVD releases. The team behind those makes all sorts of mastering mistakes even to this day, but re-issues are rare (not impossible, but definitely rare), and some of the errors they've made are glaring. The BBC's quality control of those releases has been virtually non-existent. VHS might be an old and infinitely inferior technology, but one thing I'm glad of for being a 'collector' is that I still have all those old copies from before the remasters started chopping things up. It's easy enough to watch an 'as broadcast' version if needed.

BillJ · January 17 2013, 03:22 PM

tomalak301 wrote:

uberfalcon wrote:

Just bought seasons 1 & 2 on Blu-ray. Wish I would have joined this message board and seen this thread earlier. Joy.

Season 1 is beautiful. You'll at least like that one.

While not up to the standard set be season one, season two looks light-years better than the DVD version.

Start Wreck · January 17 2013, 03:40 PM

I haven't seen season 2 myself yet, but Ex-Astris-Scientia's Observations article is pretty impressed with the HD comparisons on the whole. Don't write HTV off entirely, there's a lot of excellent work they've done, and most of the screenshots there look fantastic.

"It's not as pretty as Season 1" is hardly a job for Trading Standards!

January 15 2013, 06:25 AM	#63
mos6507 Commander	Re: Petition CBS to fix the problems with TNG:S2 Blu. There is a shot of the Enterprise in the remastered Cage where they rendered it in separate passes. The saucer is a separate pass, and when they composited it together, the saucer is kind of floating in front of the neck because the layers were out of order. They let that go all the way without being caught, and now it's there for posterity. When they redid ST:TMP, they only budgeted for standard def, and now we don't have a high-def TMP director's cut. Didn't they know HD was on the horizon? Pennywise, pound foolish. These things may seem minor to some, but hey, we're fans and we want to see things done meticulously. Do I expect any fixes to any of these things? Probably not, which is a shame.

January 15 2013, 07:34 AM	#64
uberfalcon Ensign Location: Erf	Re: Petition CBS to fix the problems with TNG:S2 Blu. Just bought seasons 1 & 2 on Blu-ray. Wish I would have joined this message board and seen this thread earlier. Joy.

January 16 2013, 02:43 PM	#66
Lance Captain Location: The Enterprise's Restroom	Re: Petition CBS to fix the problems with TNG:S2 Blu. It does remind me of the original Doctor Who DVD releases. The team behind those makes all sorts of mastering mistakes even to this day, but re-issues are rare (not impossible, but definitely rare), and some of the errors they've made are glaring. The BBC's quality control of those releases has been virtually non-existent. VHS might be an old and infinitely inferior technology, but one thing I'm glad of for being a 'collector' is that I still have all those old copies from before the remasters started chopping things up. It's easy enough to watch an 'as broadcast' version if needed.

January 17 2013, 03:40 PM	#68
Start Wreck Fleet Captain	Re: Petition CBS to fix the problems with TNG:S2 Blu. I haven't seen season 2 myself yet, but Ex-Astris-Scientia's Observations article is pretty impressed with the HD comparisons on the whole. Don't write HTV off entirely, there's a lot of excellent work they've done, and most of the screenshots there look fantastic. "It's not as pretty as Season 1" is hardly a job for Trading Standards! __________________ Fallen Star - My home-made sci-fi TV show Start Wreck - My Star Trek spoof web comic Doctor Who From The Start - A n00b does a blog

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