Harrison in the Prime Universe - Page 5

The Wormhole · January 16 2013, 02:10 AM

CommanderRaytas wrote:

Dale Sams wrote:

Mr. Laser Beam wrote:

John Harrison is probably a pseudonym. He could be anybody - not necessarily anyone we met in the prime timeline who's named Harrison.

Me, I think he's either Garth of Izar or Gary Mitchell.

If it is a pseudonym...then why make him Garth or Mitchell in the first place?

You know what I think is curious? Where did this idea that "John Harrison" is a pseudonym come from? I saw no official statement that even hinted at that, so... is there one, or is this just fan speculation? I genuinely want to know.

Supposedly, concept designs of the gattling gun Harrison is seen wielding in the trailer as he fights Klingons refers to it as "April's Gun" beginning a theory that John Harrison is an alias for Robert April. But of course, according to half of fandom, the character has to be Khan, so now we believe it's an alias of Khan. Or Gary Mitchell. "April's Gun" is now believed to mean "gun designed in the month of April."

gastrof wrote:

Was it ever an official statement that the bad guy in ID would be someone we've seen before during TOS?

If so, Harrison could very likely turn out to be a fake name.

Yes, Abrams or Orci or one of those dicks confirmed Cumberbatch is playing a "canon character." Of course since there is a Harrison in TOS that doesn't really clarify anything.

Mr. Laser Beam · January 16 2013, 03:37 AM

"John Harrison" is a rather common name, so it's likely that it's a pseudonym. Especially since, yeah, Cumby's supposedly playing a canon character with some degree of importance, and any Harrison who appeared in TOS is hardly important.

Dale Sams · January 16 2013, 03:52 AM

Maybe he's Joachim.

daveyNY · January 16 2013, 05:44 AM

Isn't there still some debate as to whether or not Orci was fibbing when he made the comments about one character being canon and one not?

Wouldn't Carol Marcus be the one that is canon?

J.grey · January 16 2013, 11:51 AM

Ok, if we're open to the possibility of time travel featuring in this story line too then I have a theory who it might be. Assuming they weren't lying and it is a character from canon then I would like to draw your attention to a very odd choice of characters who is definitely being included, Carol Marcus. She's being shown at an early age, presumably to have the relationship with Kirk that is mentioned in ST2. Now who in that film might have a genuine bone to pick with Starfleet? Not Khan, he was obsessed with Kirk... against all reason really. What kind of makes sense is that John Harrison is from the future and is actually David, Kirk's own son. We're meant to have a movie showing Kirk leading his crew into danger and lacking humility which fits nicely. David could easily blame Starfleet for what happened in ST2, and did so in the film. He could easily replicate the augmentation that Khan had and Genesis research could also offer a way to travel back in time, possibly even rejuvenate his cells in a manner of his choosing, maybe allowing for enhanced abilities. Maybe his intention is to prevent the disaster of the Genesis technology falling into Klingon hands as it nearly did in ST3 which could have had massive repercussions. If he's dealing with Kirk, and the fact that he is means he clearly wanted to for some reason, then a false name would be essential to the plot... Well the theory fits all the facts we know... I guess we'll find out soon enough. Anyone else think it's going to be a huge disappointment?

CommanderRaytas · January 16 2013, 01:21 PM

Interesting thoughts, everyone. I vaguely remember that comment about there being a canon character, and the Carol Marcus theory seems likely to me.

Personally, I don't even care anymore whether Cumby turns out to be Khan (which I don't think is gonna happen, btw), because he rules, and whatever - whoever - his character turns out to be, he'll do a fantabulous job.

The Wormhole · January 16 2013, 05:58 PM

daveyNY wrote:

Isn't there still some debate as to whether or not Orci was fibbing when he made the comments about one character being canon and one not?

Wouldn't Carol Marcus be the one that is canon?

I don't know what interview you're referring to. The interview I was referring to clearly stated both Cumberbatch and Alice Eve were playing canon characters.

Hound of UIster · January 17 2013, 06:36 AM

Perhaps he is Flint. Or Harry Mudd.

Nerys Myk · January 17 2013, 06:41 AM

He's Janice Lester in someone else's body.

CommanderRaytas · January 17 2013, 09:30 AM

I'd watch that.

January 16 2013, 03:37 AM	#62
Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Location: The visitor's bullpen	Re: Harrison in the Prime Universe "John Harrison" is a rather common name, so it's likely that it's a pseudonym. Especially since, yeah, Cumby's supposedly playing a canon character with some degree of importance, and any Harrison who appeared in TOS is hardly important. __________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

January 16 2013, 03:52 AM	#63
Dale Sams Captain	Re: Harrison in the Prime Universe Maybe he's Joachim.

January 16 2013, 05:44 AM	#64
daveyNY Commodore Location: 42* 47` / 73* 54`	Re: Harrison in the Prime Universe Isn't there still some debate as to whether or not Orci was fibbing when he made the comments about one character being canon and one not? Wouldn't Carol Marcus be the one that is canon? __________________ I must go out in2 space again for the call of adventure cries. With a steady hand & robust crew I'll take her forth with pride. I must go out in2 space again to a vagabond Captains life. Where comets play & galaxies sway like whirlwinds in the night.

January 16 2013, 11:51 AM	#65
J.grey Ensign	Re: Harrison in the Prime Universe Ok, if we're open to the possibility of time travel featuring in this story line too then I have a theory who it might be. Assuming they weren't lying and it is a character from canon then I would like to draw your attention to a very odd choice of characters who is definitely being included, Carol Marcus. She's being shown at an early age, presumably to have the relationship with Kirk that is mentioned in ST2. Now who in that film might have a genuine bone to pick with Starfleet? Not Khan, he was obsessed with Kirk... against all reason really. What kind of makes sense is that John Harrison is from the future and is actually David, Kirk's own son. We're meant to have a movie showing Kirk leading his crew into danger and lacking humility which fits nicely. David could easily blame Starfleet for what happened in ST2, and did so in the film. He could easily replicate the augmentation that Khan had and Genesis research could also offer a way to travel back in time, possibly even rejuvenate his cells in a manner of his choosing, maybe allowing for enhanced abilities. Maybe his intention is to prevent the disaster of the Genesis technology falling into Klingon hands as it nearly did in ST3 which could have had massive repercussions. If he's dealing with Kirk, and the fact that he is means he clearly wanted to for some reason, then a false name would be essential to the plot... Well the theory fits all the facts we know... I guess we'll find out soon enough. Anyone else think it's going to be a huge disappointment?

January 16 2013, 01:21 PM	#66
CommanderRaytas Rear Admiral Location: Woobie, destroyer of worlds	Re: Harrison in the Prime Universe Interesting thoughts, everyone. I vaguely remember that comment about there being a canon character, and the Carol Marcus theory seems likely to me. Personally, I don't even care anymore whether Cumby turns out to be Khan (which I don't think is gonna happen, btw), because he rules, and whatever - whoever - his character turns out to be, he'll do a fantabulous job. __________________ I do not kill with my gun. He who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father. I kill with my heart. —The Gunslinger's Creed, The Dark Tower It was a nice day ... AND THEN EVIL CAME!— The Collected Works of Stephen King, condensed version

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January 17 2013, 06:36 AM	#68
Hound of UIster Rear Admiral	Re: Harrison in the Prime Universe Perhaps he is Flint. Or Harry Mudd.

January 17 2013, 06:41 AM	#69
Nerys Myk Admiral Location: House of Kang, now with ridges	Re: Harrison in the Prime Universe He's Janice Lester in someone else's body. __________________ Nerys Myk's Midnight In Never Land A novel of Dark Fantasy @ Amazon.com

January 17 2013, 09:30 AM	#70
CommanderRaytas Rear Admiral Location: Woobie, destroyer of worlds	Re: Harrison in the Prime Universe I'd watch that. __________________ I do not kill with my gun. He who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father. I kill with my heart. —The Gunslinger's Creed, The Dark Tower It was a nice day ... AND THEN EVIL CAME!— The Collected Works of Stephen King, condensed version