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Old January 16 2013, 07:58 PM   #1531
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Tsunkatse: Very exciting episode. Creative and fun premise, memorable guest characters, good action, and a nice 7 of 9 development episode!
7/10
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Old January 16 2013, 10:12 PM   #1532
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Tsunkatse: Very exciting episode. Creative and fun premise, memorable guest characters, good action, and a nice 7 of 9 development episode!
7/10
The best part about Tsunkatse was Hertzler (best known to Trek fans as Martok). That was the only good thing about Tsunkatse. It was a meaningless filler episode, and was a horrible example of stuntcasting with The Rock, seeing as how at the time Voyager and WWE Smackdown were UPN's two most recognizable shows.
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Old January 16 2013, 10:20 PM   #1533
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That's why Trek is escapist fiction.
Humanity isn't headed in the direction we see in Trek.
It's also in a way you really shouldn't compare "Inner Light" to "Memorial" because the message, scenarios and reason behind both are completely different. The only similarity is the "Quantum Leap" syndrome. One isn't about politics or social injustice, the other is. "Memorial" is a ep. that allows us to do just what we're doing now, discuss and debate it more so than "Inner Light". They didn't want you to feel good after seeing it, they wanted you to be uncomfortable because that's what real war is. It's not even pretty as DS9 made it where the good guys don't get killed during it.
I agree. Despite their commonalities, they're very different episodes with entirely different purposes.

While I may not have particularly enjoyed it, I agree there's a lot to be discussed in Memorial. Glad we're having this conversation.
Agreed.
It's refreshing to get a different POV on the ep.

BTW, I'm glad you really enjoyed "One Small Step".
I liked it for the same reason you did and I think it was great hearing Seven give the Yankees score at the end.
It gave it great heart.

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Tsunkatse: Very exciting episode. Creative and fun premise, memorable guest characters, good action, and a nice 7 of 9 development episode!
7/10
Not great but I enjoyed it too.
I liked "The Running Man"/Mojo World concept.
I just wished they used more laytex make up on The Rock to make him more alien looking instead of looking like himself. As an up and coming actor, I think they should have made him more part of the story. Like teaming up with Seven & the Hirogen to escape or the opposite, a slave that wishes to stay. I think it would have added a little more to the ep.
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Old January 16 2013, 11:11 PM   #1534
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Tsunkatse: Very exciting episode. Creative and fun premise, memorable guest characters, good action, and a nice 7 of 9 development episode!
7/10
The best part about Tsunkatse was Hertzler (best known to Trek fans as Martok). That was the only good thing about Tsunkatse. It was a meaningless filler episode, and was a horrible example of stuntcasting with The Rock, seeing as how at the time Voyager and WWE Smackdown were UPN's two most recognizable shows.
Filler? Maybe....but IMO entertaining filler. And as I mentioned before, 7 went through some nice development in this episode. Her more compassionate and merciful side was exposed and developed in this episode. So it wasn't completely filler.

The actors looked like they were having such a great time doing this episode, not bored like they sometimes do. That excited me and drew me into what was happening.
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Old January 16 2013, 11:13 PM   #1535
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Not great but I enjoyed it too.
I liked "The Running Man"/Mojo World concept.
I just wished they used more laytex make up on The Rock to make him more alien looking instead of looking like himself. As an up and coming actor, I think they should have made him more part of the story. Like teaming up with Seven & the Hirogen to escape or the opposite, a slave that wishes to stay. I think it would have added a little more to the ep.
Agreed. I thought his character was going to play a more prominent role in this episode. Wasted opportunity.
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Old January 16 2013, 11:19 PM   #1536
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Berman (whoever) had no respect for the Rock. They treated him like an imbecile. One of the biggest box office draws today, but back in 1998 when he was only one of the most popular wrestlers in the world, they were pretty sure he was a monkey who couldn't couldn't remember more than 3 lines of dialogue.

It was patronizing.

Or was it that they suspected if they synergistically drew new audience from the wrestling world that those are the monkeys who didn't want to LISTEN to more than 3 lines of dialogue?
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Old January 17 2013, 12:04 AM   #1537
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Tsunkatse: Very exciting episode. Creative and fun premise, memorable guest characters, good action, and a nice 7 of 9 development episode!
7/10
Everyone made a big deal of the Rock being in this one... honestly having Combs and Hertzler in it excited me more.

The plot was okay... though everyone making a big deal of the Rock beating on Jeri Ryan was silly at best. It was a welcome change, but the episode was really carried by Hertzler and Ryan's interactions.
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Old January 17 2013, 12:18 AM   #1538
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I've never been sure who this Rock is.
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Old January 17 2013, 12:29 AM   #1539
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He was the Pendari wrestler who beat up on Seven of Nine in Tsunkatse... and he wrestles in real life as real as it gets anyways..

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Old January 17 2013, 12:34 AM   #1540
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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0425005/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

Download Tooth-Fairy for you grandkids.

It's charming.
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Old January 17 2013, 03:41 AM   #1541
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Berman (whoever) had no respect for the Rock. They treated him like an imbecile. One of the biggest box office draws today, but back in 1998 when he was only one of the most popular wrestlers in the world, they were pretty sure he was a monkey who couldn't couldn't remember more than 3 lines of dialogue.

It was patronizing.

Or was it that they suspected if they synergistically drew new audience from the wrestling world that those are the monkeys who didn't want to LISTEN to more than 3 lines of dialogue?
I went to see him wrestle once just out of curiosity.
It was AMAZING when he took the ring!!
He stood there for a good 10mins as flashbulbs went off all over the stadium! He was like a god to them!
With that type of fan loyalty and adoration, I can see why they asked him(even if it was only a cameo) to appear on Voyager. I can just see thousands of wresting fans having The Rock and Seven of Nine posters on their walls side by side.

However, I can understand why Berman saw it that way.
How many wrestlers turned actors can really act and have had truly successful acting careers?
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Old January 17 2013, 04:05 AM   #1542
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Collective: Reminded me of DS9's Valiant, with the terribly annoying child actors. In this episode there were less of them, and not every child actor was annoying....mainly just the lead drone....The premise wasn't bad, but it was rather dull. How much more do they need to humanize the Borg? I guess I'm not opposed to humanizing them if it's done in an interesting and unique way, ala Survival Instinct....
4/10

Spirit Folk: Fun, exciting, and full of laughs! Great follow up to Fair Haven!
7/10

EDIT: I've been lax with my scoring....changed Spirit Folk from 8 to 7, Collective from 5 to 4.
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Old January 17 2013, 04:17 AM   #1543
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Collective: Reminded me of DS9's Valiant, with the terribly annoying child actors. In this episode there were less of them, and not every child actor was annoying....mainly just the lead drone....The premise wasn't bad, but it was rather dull. How much more do they need to humanize the Borg? I guess I'm not opposed to humanizing them if it's done in an interesting and unique way, ala Survival Instinct....
5/10
Not a favorite of mine(.and I think I'm one of the few Trek fans online that don't find kids annoying, except Wesley) I liked how the Borg kids were kinda like "Children of the Corn" in their creepiness. I think the only good parts are that it introduces Icheb into the series and how Seven finally gets how fucked up she is/was being assimilated as a child in how the lead kid drone mirrors her from "Survival Instinct"

Spirit Folk: Fun, exciting, and full of laughs! Great follow up to Fair Haven!
8/10
Favorite scene is the Doc. flinging open the church doors: "SINNERS!!!!"
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Old January 17 2013, 04:19 AM   #1544
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Did you rewatch Blink of an Eye yet?
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Old January 17 2013, 05:09 AM   #1545
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@exodus: You know, I don't mind children in sci fi as much as some people. I enjoyed Wesley, and young Anakin in The Phantom Menace didn't rub me the wrong way like I guess he did a lot of other people. It's the really bratty and stubborn ones that bug me, and the lead drone in Collective with his extremely dim witted and demanding attitude really pushed it....

@tighr: Sorry, haven't gone back and watched it yet. I'll slate it as the next episode I watch, so you should be getting a review pretty soon!
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