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Old January 16 2013, 06:19 PM   #91
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Re: Is Star Trek Interracially revolutionary?

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Michael Dukakis was the Democratic nominee for President in 1988 over 20 years ago. Spiro Agnew was a heartbeat away from being the President 40 years ago. Mario Cumo and Rudy Giuliani have been touted as viable Presidential candidates for decades and Giuliani even ran.
There's never been a law against non Anglo-Saxons/Dutch running for president, but:

“This is an English and Dutch country! Everyone else is here on sufferance,” - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

None of those candidates, no matter how close, actually became president...

So we're left a little bit in the dark as to how much, if any of that, was at least partially due to non-Northern European ethnic phobia?
The source of this FDR quote is...?
I have absolutely no idea.
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Old January 16 2013, 06:22 PM   #92
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Michael Dukakis was the Democratic nominee for President in 1988 over 20 years ago. Spiro Agnew was a heartbeat away from being the President 40 years ago. Mario Cumo and Rudy Giuliani have been touted as viable Presidential candidates for decades and Giuliani even ran.
There's never been a law against non Anglo-Saxons/Dutch running for president, but:

“This is an English and Dutch country! Everyone else is here on sufferance,” - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

None of those candidates, no matter how close, actually became president...

So we're left a little bit in the dark as to how much, if any of that, was at least partially due to non-Northern European ethnic phobia?
However there were laws against Catholics running for office in some states.
The States at that time were sort of like mini-European theocracies, so I think that was mostly a theological issue than ethnic, although ethnicity may have had some part.

Even today, 6 States I believe have a law that states that one must believe in a higher power to run for office.
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Old January 16 2013, 06:35 PM   #93
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Re: Is Star Trek Interracially revolutionary?

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Michael Dukakis was the Democratic nominee for President in 1988 over 20 years ago. Spiro Agnew was a heartbeat away from being the President 40 years ago. Mario Cumo and Rudy Giuliani have been touted as viable Presidential candidates for decades and Giuliani even ran.
There's never been a law against non Anglo-Saxons/Dutch running for president, but:

“This is an English and Dutch country! Everyone else is here on sufferance,” - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

None of those candidates, no matter how close, actually became president...

So we're left a little bit in the dark as to how much, if any of that, was at least partially due to non-Northern European ethnic phobia?
They ran and were viable candidates. Agnew was the Vice President. Dukakis was the nominee of the Democratic Party. One of two major parties in the USA.
Americans have had little quirks that cause us to judge by somethings irrelevant to being able to handle political offices like the president. Have Americans judged by appearance? Probably. I think Americans have always preferred a tall president. I think there's something about seeing pictures of our president with his head above the leaders of other countries.

As far as intra-white/European ethnicity, that first immigrants pride has existed (thinking Mayflower society, a club I have no chance of joining as far as I know), and I think history sort of reveals that people have been more apt to lean towards an ethnic Northern European.

The other non-northern European candidates you mentioned were obviously very qualified individuals, and came close to breaking past that probably all too real quirk. Like Obama did.

But I don't relate any of that to modern racism. These quirks have been tame compared to American racism (except of course when it involved ethnic concentration camps).
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Old January 16 2013, 06:48 PM   #94
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Re: Is Star Trek Interracially revolutionary?

Hyfen_Underskor wrote: View Post
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There's never been a law against non Anglo-Saxons/Dutch running for president, but:

“This is an English and Dutch country! Everyone else is here on sufferance,” - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

None of those candidates, no matter how close, actually became president...

So we're left a little bit in the dark as to how much, if any of that, was at least partially due to non-Northern European ethnic phobia?
The source of this FDR quote is...?
I have absolutely no idea.
You should get some idea, if you expect anyone to take what you say seriously.
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Old January 16 2013, 07:18 PM   #95
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The source of this FDR quote is...?
I have absolutely no idea.
You should get some idea, if you expect anyone to take what you say seriously.
My idea is that this is obviously not a textbook quote. Certainly nothing addressed to the public. It's possible that it's a "misquote". It's possible that it's sort of an urban legend. It's possible that it's been completely made up.

Even if it was made up, that doesn't change my position that ethnicity has historically been a major factor in the election of our presidents, our current president being a drastic ground breaker.

If you're truly questioning my stance, then that would bring up the question as to what is your opinion? Do you think Americans always had a melting-pot mentality to where ethnicity played no part? Or do you think there was a significant/drastic or gradual cut-off somewhere (60's, 70's, 80's...)?

Of course I'm also not that sure if it's an issue of my stance, or an issue of loosely throwing out an FDR quote he may not have made? Is this an offense to FDR issue? Do you feel I need to make some sort of apology?
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Old January 16 2013, 07:33 PM   #96
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Re: Is Star Trek Interracially revolutionary?

Probably just stop using quotes, unless you can properly source them.
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Old January 16 2013, 08:52 PM   #97
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Re: Is Star Trek Interracially revolutionary?

But start using multi-quotes.
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Old January 16 2013, 09:04 PM   #98
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Re: Is Star Trek Interracially revolutionary?

Is there a guide anywhere here to help him?
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Old January 16 2013, 09:37 PM   #99
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Is there a guide anywhere here to help him?
You mean like some sort of a Yoda teacher/guide?
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Old January 16 2013, 09:43 PM   #100
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In fact there is a FAQ.
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Old January 16 2013, 09:58 PM   #101
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I have absolutely no idea.
You should get some idea, if you expect anyone to take what you say seriously.
My idea is that this is obviously not a textbook quote. Certainly nothing addressed to the public. It's possible that it's a "misquote". It's possible that it's sort of an urban legend. It's possible that it's been completely made up.

Even if it was made up, that doesn't change my position that ethnicity has historically been a major factor in the election of our presidents, our current president being a drastic ground breaker.

If you're truly questioning my stance, then that would bring up the question as to what is your opinion? Do you think Americans always had a melting-pot mentality to where ethnicity played no part? Or do you think there was a significant/drastic or gradual cut-off somewhere (60's, 70's, 80's...)?

Of course I'm also not that sure if it's an issue of my stance, or an issue of loosely throwing out an FDR quote he may not have made? Is this an offense to FDR issue? Do you feel I need to make some sort of apology?
"I love hyphens and underscores. They represent my meticulous and generous nature." - Hitler to his General Staff, Nuremberg, 1938

And before you ask, I'm very sure he said this.
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Old January 17 2013, 01:16 AM   #102
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Re: Is Star Trek Interracially revolutionary?

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Even if it was made up, that doesn't change my position that ethnicity has historically been a major factor in the election of our presidents, our current president being a drastic ground breaker.
It might change what people think FDR ACTUALLY believed, however...

... or something...
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Old January 17 2013, 01:23 AM   #103
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Re: Is Star Trek Interracially revolutionary?

Hyfen_Underskor wrote: View Post
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I have absolutely no idea.
You should get some idea, if you expect anyone to take what you say seriously.
My idea is that this is obviously not a textbook quote. Certainly nothing addressed to the public. It's possible that it's a "misquote". It's possible that it's sort of an urban legend. It's possible that it's been completely made up.

Even if it was made up, that doesn't change my position that ethnicity has historically been a major factor in the election of our presidents, our current president being a drastic ground breaker.

If you're truly questioning my stance, then that would bring up the question as to what is your opinion? Do you think Americans always had a melting-pot mentality to where ethnicity played no part? Or do you think there was a significant/drastic or gradual cut-off somewhere (60's, 70's, 80's...)?

Of course I'm also not that sure if it's an issue of my stance, or an issue of loosely throwing out an FDR quote he may not have made? Is this an offense to FDR issue? Do you feel I need to make some sort of apology?
Arguing from fallacy and distortion doesn't lend credence to your position, nor does it promote much but contempt for you.
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Old January 17 2013, 01:26 AM   #104
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"Somebody fetch me that eight ball of heroin. I wanna get tore up and trash the mansion." -California Governor Jerry Brown, 1978

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