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Old January 15 2013, 06:46 AM   #781
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and the cast is more photogenic.
There it is: the real "problem" with the film.
TOS had a pretty good looking cast. So, that idea doesn't float either.
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Old January 15 2013, 06:53 AM   #782
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I wasn't comparing them to the cast of TOS.
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Old January 15 2013, 12:10 PM   #783
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Temper tantrums are part of some classic Spock scenes in TOS.
Which Nimoy disavows in interviews as him "finding" the character. Those scenes are in the can and you can retcon it if you want, but it wasn't how they originally planned him.
Spock from TOS seasons 1-3 was the character of Number One from "The Cage" applied to Nimoy. In the earliest plans for Trek, he had red skin and had a metal plate on his chest through which he absorbed energy.

TOS was always finding excuses for Spock to get emotional or fall in love or go nuts (Naked Time, Shore Leave, Amok Time, Enterprise Incident etc). It's what made him interesting, getting glimpses of what lies under that Vulcan mask. This film manages to work it into a plausible context (the secret affair with Uhura because he's a "closeted emotional", he attacks Kirk because he's reached the breaking point after an unimaginable tragedy etc) without resorting to the tricks the TOS episodes had to to ensure he'd be back to normal by the end.

But of course if you don't count the episodes where we see Spock's guard comes down...
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Old January 15 2013, 02:28 PM   #784
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Spock in Abrams's movie was more reminiscent of TOS Spock
Yeah, he had the hair AND the ears!
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Old January 15 2013, 02:43 PM   #785
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In my opinion, only two actors have managed to portray an interesting and convincing Vulcan onscreen: Leonard Nimoy with his cool, sarcastic dry wit and Zachary Quinto with his repressed anger. All the other actors, the whisperers (Blalock), the sleepwalkers (Russ) and the snobbish (most of the others), didn't manage to find a way to play the part.
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Old January 15 2013, 02:45 PM   #786
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Damn old people. You can't even remember the right decade. Make up your minds.

Huh? On what? Which decade? Damn you, be specific.
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Old January 15 2013, 02:54 PM   #787
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In answer to the original topic, yes, I think it did.

Trek's old continuity could have been saved, but there were certain things bogging down the creative process, and people didn't seem to have a good idea about how to deal with them.

I was quite partial to J Michael Straczynski's proposal for a full reboot.
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Old January 15 2013, 02:58 PM   #788
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In my opinion, only two actors have managed to portray an interesting and convincing Vulcan onscreen: Leonard Nimoy with his cool, sarcastic dry wit and Zachary Quinto with his repressed anger. All the other actors, the whisperers (Blalock), the sleepwalkers (Russ) and the snobbish (most of the others), didn't manage to find a way to play the part.
I liked Kirstie Alleyt's Saavik, but I'm not sure that counts if you include the whole Romulan thing.

Quinto was smarmy Vulcan #34 to me. Better than Blalock but I'm not sure about Russ.
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Old January 15 2013, 03:09 PM   #789
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Quinto was smarmy Vulcan #34 to me. Better than Blalock but I'm not sure about Russ.
I've never been impressed by Russ in any scene, while I think that Quinto's acting in the "screw you then, I'm joining Starfleet" scene is excellent.
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Old January 15 2013, 04:20 PM   #790
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In my opinion, only two actors have managed to portray an interesting and convincing Vulcan onscreen: Leonard Nimoy with his cool, sarcastic dry wit and Zachary Quinto with his repressed anger. All the other actors, the whisperers (Blalock), the sleepwalkers (Russ) and the snobbish (most of the others), didn't manage to find a way to play the part.
I'd add Mark Lenard to that list.

Vulcans are certainly difficult to play, since you have to imply all the stuff going on behind the stiff, stoic facade, but I think Lenard managed to pull it off.
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Old January 15 2013, 04:51 PM   #791
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In my opinion, only two actors have managed to portray an interesting and convincing Vulcan onscreen: Leonard Nimoy with his cool, sarcastic dry wit and Zachary Quinto with his repressed anger. All the other actors, the whisperers (Blalock), the sleepwalkers (Russ) and the snobbish (most of the others), didn't manage to find a way to play the part.
I'd add Mark Lenard to that list.

Vulcans are certainly difficult to play, since you have to imply all the stuff going on behind the stiff, stoic facade, but I think Lenard managed to pull it off.
yeah, my reaction was "whoa whoa whoa". My list would be

1. Pretty much all the TOS actors, including Arlene Martel (who actually answered an email I sent her, so I have to include her)

2. Quinto, Judith Anderson, Cross

3. (Huge gap)

4. Russ

5. The rest.
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Old January 15 2013, 05:25 PM   #792
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Meh. I pretty much like all the Vulcans. They're just...different. I do find the DS9 ones a bit oddball though.
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Old January 15 2013, 05:53 PM   #793
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Meh. I pretty much like all the Vulcans. They're just...different. I do find the DS9 ones a bit oddball though.
I think it was the very emotional Enterprise ones that really made me sit down and think, "Man, I haven't seen a good Vulcan in a while".

And I don't know how Curtis managed to do a WORSE Vulcan than Saavik, but she pulled it off. (In TNG)
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Old January 16 2013, 05:09 AM   #794
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I liked Blalock's T'Pol more than any of the Vulcan characters other than Spock.
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Old January 16 2013, 08:17 PM   #795
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I liked Blalock's T'Pol more than any of the Vulcan characters other than Spock.
Agreed.
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