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Old January 14 2013, 07:12 PM   #16
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Re: most "wrong" episode...

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But aren't they technically dead when Tuvix materializes on the transporter pad?
In Trek terms? Probably not.
That's likely good news then for Commander Sonak and Admiral Ciana!
Not sure you can come back from being blobs.
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Old January 14 2013, 07:19 PM   #17
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Re: most "wrong" episode...

Code of Honor.... when you can summarize the plot with white woman kidnapped on planet of black people, something went wrong in the creative process.
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Old January 14 2013, 07:23 PM   #18
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Code of Honor.... when you can summarize the plot with white woman kidnapped on planet of black people, something went wrong in the creative process.
Most of the TNG cast are embarassed by that one. I think the only attempt at rationalizing to come from any of the writers is "things did not turn out exactly as intended."
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Old January 14 2013, 10:03 PM   #19
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Code of Honor.... when you can summarize the plot with white woman kidnapped on planet of black people, something went wrong in the creative process.
Disagree, with all the "white people" planets that we've seen through the years, there should have been more "not-white people planets" and not none at all.

And your summary was incorect, Yar wasn't kidnapped because she was white, she was taken because she had just put on a martial arts demonstration. Her skin color was irrelevant.
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Old January 15 2013, 02:59 AM   #20
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Code of Honor.... when you can summarize the plot with white woman kidnapped on planet of black people, something went wrong in the creative process.
Disagree, with all the "white people" planets that we've seen through the years, there should have been more "not-white people planets" and not none at all.

And your summary was incorect, Yar wasn't kidnapped because she was white, she was taken because she had just put on a martial arts demonstration. Her skin color was irrelevant.
You're right, it's nice to see a planet where the population wasn't just a bunch of white guys. Just wish it was handled a lot better than that.

Let's face it, the people in that episode were basically a collection of offensive Afircan stereotypes. The only thing that really saves that episode is that it's so awful it's kind of good.
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Old January 15 2013, 03:10 AM   #21
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Also have to go with "Dear Doctor." A truly repellent episode that uses racist pseudoscience to justify passive genocide. That's the episode that needs to be stricken from canon.
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Old January 15 2013, 03:33 AM   #22
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That's the episode that needs to be stricken from canon.
That's a bit harsh isn't it? Questionable morality aside, Dear Doctor is probably one of the better episodes from Enterprise's first season. Of course, that's not really saying anything, is it?
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Old January 15 2013, 06:32 AM   #23
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Also have to go with "Dear Doctor." A truly repellent episode that uses racist pseudoscience to justify passive genocide. That's the episode that needs to be stricken from canon.
Several people have mentioned this episode but sorry I have the worst memory for titles. What was that one about?
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Old January 15 2013, 06:32 AM   #24
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They *did* just invade Romulan space and STEAL something didn't they? And destroy the career (if she and possibly others wern't executed) of an innocent woman, right?"
The sentiment in the cold-war (and certainly the concept of the neutral zone was a cold-war one) was that dueling espionage was far preferable to full-out conflict, which it was, otherwise we'd be glowing by now from nuclear fallout.
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Old January 15 2013, 06:35 AM   #25
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Not sure you can come back from being blobs.
Why come back? They probably had the most memorable death you could ask for from minor characters. Mission accomplished.
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Old January 15 2013, 06:38 AM   #26
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A lot of interesting responses for episodes I had mercifully forgotten; I suppose I asked for it! I still think abandoning their own children just to cover for their personal discomfort over the situation must rank pretty high on the personal wrongness scale! Another one that particularly bothered me was an Enterprise episode in which the Dr's blob of something or other was cloned into a short lived copy of the engineer.
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Old January 15 2013, 06:49 AM   #27
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Re: most "wrong" episode...

I can think of anything specific that hasn't already been mentioned, but one thing I usually don't care for is when Trek tries to tackle the metaphysical. For whatever reason, it's always a struggle.

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Most of the TNG cast are embarassed by that one.
I think it's safe to say all of Trekdom is embarrassed by that one. I know there are a few who may disagree, but I'm pretty certain most Trekkies consider it the single worst episode of the franchise.

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Several people have mentioned this episode but sorry I have the worst memory for titles. What was that one about?
Good question. The only time I ever saw it was when it premiered. I don't remember anything about it, other than I seem to think favorably about it. Of course, it's possible that was due solely to Billingsley performance and not the content.
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Old January 15 2013, 06:55 AM   #28
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Code of Honor.... when you can summarize the plot with white woman kidnapped on planet of black people, something went wrong in the creative process.
Disagree, with all the "white people" planets that we've seen through the years, there should have been more "not-white people planets" and not none at all.

And your summary was incorect, Yar wasn't kidnapped because she was white, she was taken because she had just put on a martial arts demonstration. Her skin color was irrelevant.
You're right the Aryan planets like the Edo weren't much better at all. It was nice to see something different, but it was horridly executed.

And sure the plot was slightly more complicated than that, but it's the general impression the episode gives. Especially with the stereotypical way they behaved that episode.
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Old January 15 2013, 12:50 PM   #29
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Up the Long Ladder from TNG was a little iffy. Vaporizing clones and what not.
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Old January 15 2013, 01:14 PM   #30
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Since we're talking ethically wrong, DS9 takes all the top places, be it all the episodes that very strongly imply that you have to appeal to a stronger power for literal salvation (Sacrifice of Angels comes to mind) or deliberately shady episodes like In the Pale Moonlight.

In the Pale Moonlight is a very good episode, but its ethics are wrong on more than the "means justify the ends" angle they went with: said "ends" aren't so noble to begin with.
I mean, sure, as viewers, we can agree that Romulan involvement in the war was in everyone's interests and Sisko is clearly convinced of it as well... but if you examine it critically, is it so obvious? And even if it is, who's Sisko to forego the Romulan right to self-determination?
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