most "wrong" episode...

magarity · January 14 2013, 06:15 AM

As everyone has noticed the writers often use Star Trek to beat viewers over the head with a not at all disguised moral lesson but some times there's an episode that is just wrong. A friend and I were discussing this today and the most wrong episode we could come up with was a Voyager when the captain and Paris turned into slugs and abandoned their slug babies on an anonymous planet. That's so wrong on so many levels... My friend was sure there must be one worse in TOS but couldn't come up with one. I challenge this audience to come up with a more disturbingly messed up (on a personal level for the characters) episode, any series.

YARN · January 14 2013, 07:07 AM

magarity wrote:

As everyone has noticed the writers often use Star Trek to beat viewers over the head with a not at all disguised moral lesson but some times there's an episode that is just wrong. A friend and I were discussing this today and the most wrong episode we could come up with was a Voyager when the captain and Paris turned into slugs and abandoned their slug babies on an anonymous planet. That's so wrong on so many levels... My friend was sure there must be one worse in TOS but couldn't come up with one. I challenge this audience to come up with a more disturbingly messed up (on a personal level for the characters) episode, any series.

Didn't Voyager have a few dubious episodes like that?

Dale Sams · January 14 2013, 07:23 AM

magarity wrote:

As everyone has noticed the writers often use Star Trek to beat viewers over the head with a not at all disguised moral lesson but some times there's an episode that is just wrong. A friend and I were discussing this today and the most wrong episode we could come up with was a Voyager when the captain and Paris turned into slugs and abandoned their slug babies on an anonymous planet. That's so wrong on so many levels... My friend was sure there must be one worse in TOS but couldn't come up with one. I challenge this audience to come up with a more disturbingly messed up (on a personal level for the characters) episode, any series.

That's a good subject because I was just thinking of my initial reaction to "The Enterprise Incident". I knew it was well-held by the general populace, especially for a third-season ep...

but my first reaction was, "Wait. Why are we cheering these guys? They *did* just invade Romulan space and STEAL something didn't they? And destroy the career (if she and possibly others wern't executed) of an innocent woman, right?"

Captain Rob · January 14 2013, 10:05 AM

I'll give you two:
"And the Children Shall Lead" and "Turnabout Intruder".
The first one was so bad that the first TV station I watched TOS on in the early 70's wouldn't run it.

junxon · January 14 2013, 10:11 AM

that Enterprise episode where we learn that genocide can be a good thing

BruntFCA · January 14 2013, 05:57 PM

Tuvix-You know the episode where Janeway murders someone? Yeah I'll go with that.

Nerys Myk · January 14 2013, 06:07 PM

BruntFCA wrote:

Tuvix-You know the episode where Janeway murders someone? Yeah I'll go with that.

But at the same time she saves Tuvok and Neelix.

BillJ · January 14 2013, 06:18 PM

junxon wrote:

that Enterprise episode where we learn that genocide can be a good thing

Dear Doctor. Oh what were Berman and the rest of the buttheads thinking when they greenlit that script?

BruntFCA · January 14 2013, 06:31 PM

Nerys Myk wrote:

BruntFCA wrote:

Tuvix-You know the episode where Janeway murders someone? Yeah I'll go with that.

But at the same time she saves Tuvok and Neelix.

By murdering an innocent man.

USS Einstein · January 14 2013, 06:33 PM

Nerys Myk wrote:

BruntFCA wrote:

Tuvix-You know the episode where Janeway murders someone? Yeah I'll go with that.

But at the same time she saves Tuvok and Neelix.

Who, I guess, were already dead at that point, from a legal/ethical perspective - she wanted to kill one person in order to re-create two

My choice would go to some of the pseudo-spiritual episodes that Voyager had, such as The Barge of the Dead (off the top of my head), because we are getting into Star Wars territory there. As someone once argued, the difference between S Wars and S Trek can be seen as a difference in two worldviews; mysticism and rationality.

Nerys Myk · January 14 2013, 06:43 PM

BruntFCA wrote:

Nerys Myk wrote:

BruntFCA wrote:

Tuvix-You know the episode where Janeway murders someone? Yeah I'll go with that.

But at the same time she saves Tuvok and Neelix.

By murdering an innocent man.

So Neelix and Tuvok don't deserve to live?

BillJ · January 14 2013, 06:50 PM

Nerys Myk wrote:

BruntFCA wrote:

Nerys Myk wrote:

But at the same time she saves Tuvok and Neelix.

By murdering an innocent man.

So Neelix and Tuvok don't deserve to live?

But aren't they technically dead when Tuvix materializes on the transporter pad?

BruntFCA · January 14 2013, 06:54 PM

Nerys Myk wrote:

BruntFCA wrote:

Nerys Myk wrote:

But at the same time she saves Tuvok and Neelix.

By murdering an innocent man.

So Neelix and Tuvok don't deserve to live?

That wasn't up to Janeway, or at least it shouldn't have been. What Janeway did in this episode as far as I'm concerned is just as bad as if she had killed a random crew member in Phage to give Neelix new lungs.

Nerys Myk · January 14 2013, 06:59 PM

BillJ wrote:

Nerys Myk wrote:

BruntFCA wrote:

By murdering an innocent man.

So Neelix and Tuvok don't deserve to live?

But aren't they technically dead when Tuvix materializes on the transporter pad?

In Trek terms? Probably not.

BillJ · January 14 2013, 07:03 PM

Nerys Myk wrote:

BillJ wrote:

Nerys Myk wrote:

So Neelix and Tuvok don't deserve to live?

But aren't they technically dead when Tuvix materializes on the transporter pad?

In Trek terms? Probably not.

That's likely good news then for Commander Sonak and Admiral Ciana!

January 14 2013, 06:15 AM	#1
magarity Lieutenant Junior Grade	most "wrong" episode... As everyone has noticed the writers often use Star Trek to beat viewers over the head with a not at all disguised moral lesson but some times there's an episode that is just wrong. A friend and I were discussing this today and the most wrong episode we could come up with was a Voyager when the captain and Paris turned into slugs and abandoned their slug babies on an anonymous planet. That's so wrong on so many levels... My friend was sure there must be one worse in TOS but couldn't come up with one. I challenge this audience to come up with a more disturbingly messed up (on a personal level for the characters) episode, any series.

January 14 2013, 10:05 AM	#4
Captain Rob Fleet Captain	Re: most "wrong" episode... I'll give you two: "And the Children Shall Lead" and "Turnabout Intruder". The first one was so bad that the first TV station I watched TOS on in the early 70's wouldn't run it. __________________ Regal Entertainment Group murdered United Artists

January 14 2013, 10:11 AM	#5
junxon Fleet Captain Location: I'm a Romulan now. Romulans are cool	Re: most "wrong" episode... that Enterprise episode where we learn that genocide can be a good thing __________________ I'm your Venus, I'm your fire, At your desire, Captain. - Mr Spock Hello to Jason Isaacs!

January 14 2013, 05:57 PM	#6
BruntFCA Lieutenant Commander Location: The Divine Treasury	Re: most "wrong" episode... Tuvix-You know the episode where Janeway murders someone? Yeah I'll go with that. __________________ QOTSA ... Like Clockwork-JUNE 2013!

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