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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

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Old January 11 2013, 12:59 AM   #16
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Would have been nice to have an explanation of Data's "Me, it's me." How did that Data know that he, and not the other Datas in the room, was the correct one to drop the charge?

What was his reasoning?

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Old January 11 2013, 02:30 AM   #17
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Would have been nice to have an explanation of Data's "Me, it's me." How did that Data know that he, and not the other Datas in the room, was the correct one to drop the charge?

What was his reasoning?

The answer was all of them, it just took the one who was ahead of them to actually take the initiative. But of course I'm not going to give the episode credit for something it didn't bother to explain, because we're going to get the exact same thing in the next season's episode "Time Squared".
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Old January 11 2013, 08:58 AM   #18
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That's just standard officer competence at work: be firm and decisive, and things will work out for the best.

Of course, we know that Data is capable of subliminal messaging, reading of nuances in expressions, counting of eyeblinks and so forth. Quite possibly there was more information exchange going on than the mere audible dialogue there, then.

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Old January 11 2013, 04:45 PM   #19
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I can't say anything other than I agree with you 100%. The episode is awesome when it's dealing with the Sci-Fi plot. My favorite scene is with the "split" Data trying to dump the antimatter into the fissure or whatever it was.

The whole romantic subplot was pretty bad because from the beginning we knew it wasn't going to go anywhere for the exact reasons you mentioned.

And yes, that costume was horrible. I kept thinking "why is this lady in her pajamas the whole episode?"
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Old January 11 2013, 06:56 PM   #20
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I love the time travel stuff. As always I'm not entirely sure it makes any sense if you think about it for a second but it produces some cool visuals and is a nice different (for TV at the time) way of approaching the subject. Indeed, TNG would generally try to avoid the "Obvious" time travel plots, which is to be commended really.

But the romance side of things... Blueghh. Completely undone by Picard and Janice having only slightly more sexual chemistry than Picard and Wesley. She's impossible to take seriously as a love interest for the Captain unless he wants something really wooden to use as a display piece in his ready room.

The ending also makes you wonder if Holodeck players have to avoid the word "EXIT" at all times when having fun on there as well.
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Old January 12 2013, 03:23 PM   #21
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Would have been nice to have an explanation of Data's "Me, it's me." How did that Data know that he, and not the other Datas in the room, was the correct one to drop the charge?

What was his reasoning?

The answer was all of them, it just took the one who was ahead of them to actually take the initiative. But of course I'm not going to give the episode credit for something it didn't bother to explain, because we're going to get the exact same thing in the next season's episode "Time Squared".
If they explain everything, then there's no fun in dissecting the episode and coming up with theories on what actually happened.
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Old January 12 2013, 05:21 PM   #22
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If they explain everything, then there's no fun in dissecting the episode and coming up with theories on what actually happened.
Except in both of those episodes, there's really nothing to dissect. It just happens and trying to come up with theories on why it happened is as pointless as it's relevance in future episodes. i.e. none. To have the solution to a problem involve something spontaneous and unexplained is just an easy way out for writers who end up just writing it off as "It's a mystery we may never solve!". Which we'll get to someday in The Royale.
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To have the solution to a problem involve something spontaneous and unexplained is just an easy way out for writers who end up just writing it off as "It's a mystery we may never solve!". Which we'll get to someday in The Royale.
But I don't mind some episodes using it and I love The Royale.
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Old January 14 2013, 06:13 PM   #24
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To have the solution to a problem involve something spontaneous and unexplained is just an easy way out for writers who end up just writing it off as "It's a mystery we may never solve!". Which we'll get to someday in The Royale.
But I don't mind some episodes using it and I love The Royale.
A pity it's own writer cannot say the same.
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Old January 14 2013, 06:25 PM   #25
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To have the solution to a problem involve something spontaneous and unexplained is just an easy way out for writers who end up just writing it off as "It's a mystery we may never solve!". Which we'll get to someday in The Royale.
But I don't mind some episodes using it and I love The Royale.
A pity it's own writer cannot say the same.
And? I don't give two shits whether Tracey Torme likes the episode or not. I also like Hide and Q, even though Maurice Hurley hated Roddenberry's rewrite so much that he took his name off of it.

Any given episode is a collaboration...
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Old January 14 2013, 06:59 PM   #26
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I don't give two shits
Well, everyone is entitled to their own informed opinions. I myself question episodes where there can temperatures below absolute zero, and how an enlightened Captain who thinks humanity will be like angels and gods can compliment an officer for not saving a child's life.
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Well, everyone is entitled to their own informed opinions. I myself question episodes where there can temperatures below absolute zero, and how an enlightened Captain who thinks humanity will be like angels and gods can compliment an officer for not saving a child's life.
A scientifically inaccurate episode of Star Trek! God knows we've never seen that before or since The Royale.

Saving a child's life and bringing one back to life are completely different animals and I think you know that.
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Old January 15 2013, 12:59 AM   #28
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Saving a child's life and bringing one back to life are completely different animals and I think you know that.
A point Picard will make to Data in The Neutral Zone (except for the "child" part).
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