The Five...err Four Doctors! - Page 3

Brendan Moody · January 10 2013, 04:48 AM

(Wasn't Jo Grant originally supposed to be with the 3rd Doctor as well?)

During the brief period between Frazer Hines having to back out and Tom Baker leaving the project, they were looking into the possibility of having Jo with the third Doctor, but that was only a couple of weeks, so I doubt anything was scripted.

diankra · January 10 2013, 05:00 AM

Plus Katy Manning was in Australia, so I doubt the checking out went much beyond:
"What about Jo?"
"Let's try Katy Manning's agent. Oh, he says she's in Australia."
"Ok, forget that..."

Brendan Moody · January 10 2013, 05:22 AM

Actually, there was a hope that enough money was available to fly her from Australia, although I don't know how far that went before Tom backing out changed everything again. And looking back at the article on Shannon Patrick Sullivan's invaluable site, I see that there was a version of the script where the second Doctor was with the Brigadier and the fourth Doctor with Sarah; I don't know whether Jo was in that script or not.

diankra · January 10 2013, 06:01 AM

Certainly, Sarah was originally with 4, so I'd guess any serious thought of using Jo came in the brief gap between losing Jamie and losing Tom: the Brig moves from 3 to 2, leaving 3 in need of a companion until Sarah becomes available to pair with him.

Brendan Moody · January 10 2013, 06:05 AM

Right; I'm saying I don't know whether, in that brief interval, Dicks would have re-scripted the third Doctor sequences to add Jo prior to getting confirmation that she would actually appear, or if he would simply have re-written the second Doctor sections to replace Jamie with the Brig and left the third Doctor/Brig material as a placeholder until things were settled.

diankra · January 10 2013, 06:08 AM

Gotya. From what I recall from putting the 5 Doctors InVision together there weren't any script pages or similar involving Jo... if I can find the right box I can double check sometime, as there's loads of stuff buried there!

Mr Awe · January 10 2013, 04:35 PM

The Borgified Corpse wrote:

It certainly sounds interesting. I'd especially like to see how things would have turned out differently

I would too. Does anyone know whether the previous versions of the script still exist? Is there a chance we'd ever be able to read them, or are they lost to time?

Mr Awe

diankra · January 10 2013, 04:55 PM

I don't think Terrance Dicks keeps much old paperwork (not enough room for it and a family back in the old days), so only if they're at the BBC written archives.
They certainly weren't at the BBC Script Unit or they'd have been found when it shut down in 1991 (or were destroyed when it was - only one final copy of each script was saved for archiving)... during that last week, you couldn't move for cult TV fans taking their last chance to raid every filing cabinet in search of anything they could find. That's when I found the first reference to the Six Doctors working title and - foolishly - assumed it was just a typo).

Mr Awe · January 10 2013, 05:11 PM

^^ Thanks for the info. I guess we can only hope!

gastrof · January 12 2013, 07:55 AM

Mr Awe wrote:

The Borgified Corpse wrote:

It certainly sounds interesting. I'd especially like to see how things would have turned out differently

I would too. Does anyone know whether the previous versions of the script still exist? Is there a chance we'd ever be able to read them, or are they lost to time?

Mr Awe

NOTHING is ever lost to time...

Except Gallifrey. (Which is where the scripts were probably stored.)

gastrof · January 12 2013, 07:57 AM

diankra wrote:

...That's when I found the first reference to the Six Doctors working title and - foolishly - assumed it was just a typo).

Oh please...

Have pity on an American Whovian and tell me...

Once C. Baker was on board, had they planned to do it AGAIN?

Ar-Pharazon · January 12 2013, 07:59 AM

gastrof wrote:

Mr Awe wrote:

The Borgified Corpse wrote:

It certainly sounds interesting. I'd especially like to see how things would have turned out differently

I would too. Does anyone know whether the previous versions of the script still exist? Is there a chance we'd ever be able to read them, or are they lost to time?

Mr Awe

NOTHING is ever lost to time...

Except Gallifrey. (Which is where the scripts were probably stored.)

And the missing video tapes maybe?

VDCNI · January 12 2013, 11:49 AM

gastrof wrote:

diankra wrote:

...That's when I found the first reference to the Six Doctors working title and - foolishly - assumed it was just a typo).

Oh please...

Have pity on an American Whovian and tell me...

Once C. Baker was on board, had they planned to do it AGAIN?

No it is to do with Robert Holmes's original story which had the First Doctor being replaced by a robot duplicate.

Anji · January 20 2013, 03:58 AM

Excepts from the original version of "The Five Doctors" exist in a copy of a booklet published in honor of the anniversary called, "The Making of the Five Doctors" and it was put out by either the BBC or the Dr. Who Fan Club of America...I don't remember which. The artwork on the cover is awesome and the title of the booklet is embossed in silver.

I've still got a copy of it somewhere....

The Borgified Corpse · January 24 2013, 03:35 AM

VDCNI wrote:

gastrof wrote:

diankra wrote:

...That's when I found the first reference to the Six Doctors working title and - foolishly - assumed it was just a typo).

Oh please...

Have pity on an American Whovian and tell me...

Once C. Baker was on board, had they planned to do it AGAIN?

No it is to do with Robert Holmes's original story which had the First Doctor being replaced by a robot duplicate.

And in keeping with the tradition of robot duplicates of the 1st Doctor, this one was distinguishable because he:
1. Actually remembered his lines.
2. Moved his lips completely independently of any words coming out.
3. Didn't look a thing like the Doctor!!!!!

January 10 2013, 05:00 AM	#32
diankra Commodore Location: UK	Re: The Five...err Four Doctors! Plus Katy Manning was in Australia, so I doubt the checking out went much beyond: "What about Jo?" "Let's try Katy Manning's agent. Oh, he says she's in Australia." "Ok, forget that..." __________________ "Some days are better than others. They say that where I come from." "Loudly, I imagine, on the day you left." (Blake's 7 - Rumours of Death)

January 10 2013, 05:22 AM	#33
Brendan Moody Vice Admiral Location: Providence	Re: The Five...err Four Doctors! Actually, there was a hope that enough money was available to fly her from Australia, although I don't know how far that went before Tom backing out changed everything again. And looking back at the article on Shannon Patrick Sullivan's invaluable site, I see that there was a version of the script where the second Doctor was with the Brigadier and the fourth Doctor with Sarah; I don't know whether Jo was in that script or not. __________________ The Stars at Noonday

January 10 2013, 06:01 AM	#34
diankra Commodore Location: UK	Re: The Five...err Four Doctors! Certainly, Sarah was originally with 4, so I'd guess any serious thought of using Jo came in the brief gap between losing Jamie and losing Tom: the Brig moves from 3 to 2, leaving 3 in need of a companion until Sarah becomes available to pair with him. __________________ "Some days are better than others. They say that where I come from." "Loudly, I imagine, on the day you left." (Blake's 7 - Rumours of Death)

January 10 2013, 06:05 AM	#35
Brendan Moody Vice Admiral Location: Providence	Re: The Five...err Four Doctors! Right; I'm saying I don't know whether, in that brief interval, Dicks would have re-scripted the third Doctor sequences to add Jo prior to getting confirmation that she would actually appear, or if he would simply have re-written the second Doctor sections to replace Jamie with the Brig and left the third Doctor/Brig material as a placeholder until things were settled. __________________ The Stars at Noonday

January 10 2013, 06:08 AM	#36
diankra Commodore Location: UK	Re: The Five...err Four Doctors! Gotya. From what I recall from putting the 5 Doctors InVision together there weren't any script pages or similar involving Jo... if I can find the right box I can double check sometime, as there's loads of stuff buried there! __________________ "Some days are better than others. They say that where I come from." "Loudly, I imagine, on the day you left." (Blake's 7 - Rumours of Death)

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January 10 2013, 04:55 PM	#38
diankra Commodore Location: UK	Re: The Five...err Four Doctors! I don't think Terrance Dicks keeps much old paperwork (not enough room for it and a family back in the old days), so only if they're at the BBC written archives. They certainly weren't at the BBC Script Unit or they'd have been found when it shut down in 1991 (or were destroyed when it was - only one final copy of each script was saved for archiving)... during that last week, you couldn't move for cult TV fans taking their last chance to raid every filing cabinet in search of anything they could find. That's when I found the first reference to the Six Doctors working title and - foolishly - assumed it was just a typo). __________________ "Some days are better than others. They say that where I come from." "Loudly, I imagine, on the day you left." (Blake's 7 - Rumours of Death)

January 10 2013, 05:11 PM	#39
Mr Awe Rear Admiral	Re: The Five...err Four Doctors! ^^ Thanks for the info. I guess we can only hope!

January 20 2013, 03:58 AM	#44
Anji Rear Admiral Location: Assisting in the birth of baby Horta on Janus VI	Re: The Five...err Four Doctors! Excepts from the original version of "The Five Doctors" exist in a copy of a booklet published in honor of the anniversary called, "The Making of the Five Doctors" and it was put out by either the BBC or the Dr. Who Fan Club of America...I don't remember which. The artwork on the cover is awesome and the title of the booklet is embossed in silver. I've still got a copy of it somewhere.... __________________ "You may be wrong, but you may be right." - Billy Joel