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View Poll Results: How would you grade The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey?
A+ 32 16.58%
A 52 26.94%
A- 38 19.69%
B+ 28 14.51%
B 15 7.77%
B- 9 4.66%
C+ 1 0.52%
C 8 4.15%
C- 2 1.04%
D+ 3 1.55%
D 1 0.52%
D- 3 1.55%
F 1 0.52%
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Old January 11 2013, 08:17 AM   #436
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It's starting to feel like something like that is happening.

Or people are looking for reasons to hate the film.
I hope you don't think that I was looking for a way to hate the film. On the contrary, I loved LotR and I'm looking forward to seeing the Hobbit. I just felt that the HFR technique didn't work right yet.
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Old January 11 2013, 07:19 PM   #437
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HFR is just a technical aspect. Criticizing it for HFR is like criticizing it for color, surround sound, screen resolution or even screen size.
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Old January 11 2013, 08:05 PM   #438
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It certainly does feel like the reaction of people here to HFR is widely disparate... some like it, some are neutral [my reaction], and some hate it completely.

I wonder if there are variations between the way different theaters project it, like the brightness issue in 3D bulbs...?
I've got another option: I didn't notice it. Then again, I don't see 3D either (with 3D glasses, I see the movie like regular 2D). It's my eyes being wonky, so maybe that's why I don't notice the HFR either.
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Old January 11 2013, 11:47 PM   #439
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Finally got around to seeing it this afternoon. My only real criticism of the film, as many others have stated, is that certain scenes, especially the opening sequences in The Shire and some of the battles, are far too drawn out. Peter Jackson needs a lesson in editing. That said, I really did enjoy it. I saw it in 2D, and I honestly have no idea if it was HFR or not. It looked great either way, and I'm looking forward to the next two parts.

I also think my theater had the volume turned down a little bit, as I had to strain to hear some of the dialogue, but I doubt that was an issue with the film itself.

I'd probably give it a B.
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Old January 12 2013, 12:05 AM   #440
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I've got another option: I didn't notice it. Then again, I don't see 3D either (with 3D glasses, I see the movie like regular 2D). It's my eyes being wonky, so maybe that's why I don't notice the HFR either.
I've gotta ask: if you can't see 3D why would you pay extra to see a 3D film? Did you feel like making a donation to the struggling film industry?

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also think my theater had the volume turned down a little bit, as I had to strain to hear some of the dialogue, but I doubt that was an issue with the film itself.
I had the same problem, but more toward the beginning of the film.

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I saw it in 2D, and I honestly have no idea if it was HFR or not.
If you saw it in 2D, it wasn't HFR.
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Old January 12 2013, 02:11 AM   #441
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Even Tolkien wanted to move away from that, though. Every time he wrote the Hobbit, he tried to edge it towards the Lord of the Rings. Not just the rewrite, but the Quest of Erebor too. I think to go that extreme is to deny that they are part of the same universe. It's a lighter story from a lighter time. In reality, there should be hints of something darker, while I think the movie is the LOTR in tone, but with hints of something lighter. In other words, it's a question of emphasis rather than black and white.
The best one can explain the difference between LOTR and The Hobbit is to say different authors, Frodo and Bilbo. In the real world, stuff changed
While that's a good in-universe explanation, the question is if it's the right artistic choice. Tolkein, imo, thought it wasn't, which is why he tried to make the Hobbit more serious as time went on.
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Old January 12 2013, 02:45 AM   #442
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Even Tolkien wanted to move away from that, though. Every time he wrote the Hobbit, he tried to edge it towards the Lord of the Rings. Not just the rewrite, but the Quest of Erebor too. I think to go that extreme is to deny that they are part of the same universe. It's a lighter story from a lighter time. In reality, there should be hints of something darker, while I think the movie is the LOTR in tone, but with hints of something lighter. In other words, it's a question of emphasis rather than black and white.
The best one can explain the difference between LOTR and The Hobbit is to say different authors, Frodo and Bilbo. In the real world, stuff changed
While that's a good in-universe explanation, the question is if it's the right artistic choice. Tolkein, imo, thought it wasn't, which is why he tried to make the Hobbit more serious as time went on.
Tolkien likely would have liked to have re-written The Hobbit more extensively. The Humphrey Carter biography notes Tolkien's later distaste for the aspects that talked down to children and material that was -too like contemporary delusions about 'fairy stories'- (paraphrased from the bio) The Hobbit wasn't originally part of the world of The Silmarillion, but was drawn into LOTR and The Silmarrilion over time and revision, and I wouldn't be surprised if Tolkien would agree with you about revising more, but he could revise endlessly as he was a perfectionist at heart about his Middle Earth.
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Old January 12 2013, 05:45 AM   #443
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RoJoHen wrote:
I saw it in 2D, and I honestly have no idea if it was HFR or not.
If you saw it in 2D, it wasn't HFR.
The theatre I saw it in was advertising three options:
1. 3D and HFR
2. 3D and no HFR
3. 2D and HFR

Interestingly, I just checked their listings against and they've dropped the 2D HFR option, so maybe they made a mistake in saying they offered that in the first place.
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Old January 12 2013, 06:09 AM   #444
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it would have had to have been. AFAIK there is no 2D HFR version.
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Old January 12 2013, 06:19 AM   #445
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It would be funny if other theatres have made the same mistake, and viewers have come out complaining about the "fake" look of HFR in their supposed 2D HFR viewing.
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Old January 12 2013, 08:53 AM   #446
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I saw it in 2D, and I honestly have no idea if it was HFR or not.
If you saw it in 2D, it wasn't HFR.
Fair enough. I honestly never cared enough to pay attention to such things. There were a few parts, however, that I could tell were definitely intended to be see in 3-D. There was a brief moment during the battle with the Goblins where the entire scene looked almost intentionally distorted, as if I was watching it with the wrong type of eyes.
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Old January 12 2013, 08:21 PM   #447
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RoJoHen wrote:
I saw it in 2D, and I honestly have no idea if it was HFR or not.
If you saw it in 2D, it wasn't HFR.
The theatre I saw it in was advertising three options:
1. 3D and HFR
2. 3D and no HFR
3. 2D and HFR

Interestingly, I just checked their listings against and they've dropped the 2D HFR option, so maybe they made a mistake in saying they offered that in the first place.
I would tend to think so, especially since "2D and no HFR" should have been one of the options even if "2D HFR" had been a real option.

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There were a few parts, however, that I could tell were definitely intended to be see in 3-D.
Now when I go back and watch the LOTR films I keep seeing scenes that appear to be well suited for 3-D. For example there's this firework effect in the beginning of FOTR that becomes a fan of firework-spears shooting straight at the viewer.
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Old January 12 2013, 10:03 PM   #448
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RoJoHen wrote:
There were a few parts, however, that I could tell were definitely intended to be see in 3-D.
Now when I go back and watch the LOTR films I keep seeing scenes that appear to be well suited for 3-D. For example there's this firework effect in the beginning of FOTR that becomes a fan of firework-spears shooting straight at the viewer.
That would have been cool to see.

In one of the production diaries for The Hobbit, Jackson actually said that he would have filmed LOTR in 3D if the current technology had been there at the time.
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Old January 13 2013, 02:31 AM   #449
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All right, here it is.

The BIG question, no joke.

I haven't read the book in forever, so that's why I can't answer it, but this reviewer has the same feat I do, that we won't actually see Smaug in all his splendor until the third film. What do you guys think? In spite of the title of the second film, I'm afraid it's going to just tease us.
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Old January 13 2013, 05:39 AM   #450
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No way, Movie 2 will be all about Smaug, the way Two Towers was all about Saruman. Movie 3 will be Battle of 5 Armies.

I just read the book and there's not a lot of events between Frying Pan and Smaug. You've got Beorn, spiders, elves, Laketown, that's it!
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