Minor BTTF Part Two question - Page 4

Mr. Laser Beam · January 2 2013, 11:08 PM

tighr wrote:

a better thing for Doc to do would be come back at the end of Part I and say, "Marty, your kids turn out to be assholes. In 30 years, make sure you keep an eye on them." Takes less jiggawatts that way.

Doc probably thought that it would be better for Marty to see the future firsthand, to kind of shock him into changing his ways. Doc may have even known about Marty's tendency to freak out when somebody calls him "chicken". As Marty's friend, Doc thought this would be the best way to help him - by showing him what the future would be like. Otherwise Marty might have just sort of shrugged it off.

Trekker4747 · January 2 2013, 11:14 PM

Of course Doc feels it vitally, desperately, important to do RIGHT FUCKING NOW to "save" Marty's kids. Yet doesn't feel Marty needs to know, at all, about the accident he's about to in that'll ruin his entire future.

tighr · January 3 2013, 12:14 AM

Trekker4747 wrote:

Of course Doc feels it vitally, desperately, important to do RIGHT FUCKING NOW to "save" Marty's kids. Yet doesn't feel Marty needs to know, at all, about the accident he's about to in that'll ruin his entire future.

Well, on the other hand, Marty just grows up to be a loser who can't play the guitar and will never end up like Bill and Ted nor go on to have a successful music career. But Marty's kid ends up on the cover of FUCKING USA Today for trying to rob a bank.

But your point about "right now" is well taken. They've got all the time in the world. 30 years, in fact, to formulate a plan.

Trekker4747 · January 3 2013, 12:25 AM

Note that the USA Today is called the "Hill Valley Edition", suggesting the local paper was bought-out by national corporation.

Gotham Central · January 3 2013, 04:22 AM

Trekker4747 wrote:

Anyone ever consider what the "Mr. Fusion" on the back of the DeLorean (and presumably a power source used all over in 2015) is really capable of? Forget that it's capable of providing cold fusion in a small space and is "stable" enough to be mounted on a car. But what we see it do is simply incredible, on some levels it's more powerful than any other natural fusion reaction in the universe.

In massive stars hydrogen is fused together to form helium, then helium to form carbon, and some of the other elements are mixed in there but once a star (if its big enough) gets to iron it cannot go any further. At that point there's not enough energy in the star to fuse two iron molecules together to from the next element, at this point the star is so heavy and dense that it collapses into itself likely forming a black-hole.

When we see Doc use the Mr. Fusion at the end of BTTF 1/beginning of BTTF 2 we see him dump inside the Mr. Fusion chamber some eggs, beer, an aluminum can, styrofoam and some other pieces of garbage. "Somehow" the Mr. Fusion is capable of taking these materials that not only contain elements much more complex than hydrogen or helium but alos contains chemical compounds. Rather than pretty much doing nothing because it doesn't have the power to, the Mr. Fusion is able to take the stuff dumped into and convert it into raw, pure, energy. (Also I'm sure some number crunching of what we see Doc put into the device would equal far more than 1.21 GW.)

Yet that super powerful fusion reactor managed to collide with a locomotive without exploding.

Trekker4747 · January 3 2013, 04:35 AM

Gotham Central wrote:

Trekker4747 wrote:

Anyone ever consider what the "Mr. Fusion" on the back of the DeLorean (and presumably a power source used all over in 2015) is really capable of? Forget that it's capable of providing cold fusion in a small space and is "stable" enough to be mounted on a car. But what we see it do is simply incredible, on some levels it's more powerful than any other natural fusion reaction in the universe.

In massive stars hydrogen is fused together to form helium, then helium to form carbon, and some of the other elements are mixed in there but once a star (if its big enough) gets to iron it cannot go any further. At that point there's not enough energy in the star to fuse two iron molecules together to from the next element, at this point the star is so heavy and dense that it collapses into itself likely forming a black-hole.

When we see Doc use the Mr. Fusion at the end of BTTF 1/beginning of BTTF 2 we see him dump inside the Mr. Fusion chamber some eggs, beer, an aluminum can, styrofoam and some other pieces of garbage. "Somehow" the Mr. Fusion is capable of taking these materials that not only contain elements much more complex than hydrogen or helium but alos contains chemical compounds. Rather than pretty much doing nothing because it doesn't have the power to, the Mr. Fusion is able to take the stuff dumped into and convert it into raw, pure, energy. (Also I'm sure some number crunching of what we see Doc put into the device would equal far more than 1.21 GW.)

Yet that super powerful fusion reactor managed to collide with a locomotive without exploding.

A true fusion reactor not dependent on a fission reactor to operate would be extremely stable and not prone to explosion. Which is an "error" in TDKR where the fusion power reactor is used as a bomb. In reality the fusion reactor would simply become a paper weight once disconnected from a fuel/power source. The fusion reaction would also simply stop if no longer controlled or being maintained, also any loss of containment would result in minimal radioactive waste. Fusion requires a very precise and specific set of circumstances to control and maintain, it's a pot of food that needs to be constantly monitored and maintained. If everything doesn't go perfectly it'll simply not work.

Besides, when the DeLorean collided with the train it had just arrived back to the future and likely had spent its fuel, powering down the fusion reactor.

GalaxyX · January 11 2013, 04:22 PM

This movie desperately needs some CGI fixes. The Delorean flying scenes need to be redone. Particularly the ones in 1985. That plane that flies ovehead of them look so fake, and the flying scenes from Biff's Tower was so badly done.

JarodRussell · January 11 2013, 07:16 PM

Just why?

Ethros · January 11 2013, 09:47 PM

Just no more like.

If the SFX don't look perfect it's because it was made 24 years ago, not 24 minutes ago.
Deal with it.

Flying Spaghetti Monster · January 11 2013, 09:57 PM

GalaxyX wrote:

This movie desperately needs some CGI fixes. The Delorean flying scenes need to be redone. Particularly the ones in 1985. That plane that flies ovehead of them look so fake, and the flying scenes from Biff's Tower was so badly done.

Zemeckis and Gale don't believe in revising films. It would be like putting CGI creatures in Wizard of Oz.

GalaxyX · January 11 2013, 10:02 PM

Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote:

GalaxyX wrote:

This movie desperately needs some CGI fixes. The Delorean flying scenes need to be redone. Particularly the ones in 1985. That plane that flies ovehead of them look so fake, and the flying scenes from Biff's Tower was so badly done.

Zemeckis and Gale don't believe in revising films. It would be like putting CGI creatures in Wizard of Oz.

Which is fine, therefore I don't need to purchase the Blu-Rays. I already have the DVD's which are perfectly fine for me.

Flying Spaghetti Monster · January 11 2013, 10:15 PM

My DVD's were scratched. A buddy was nice enough to get me the blu-rays for Christmas!

tomswift2002 · January 11 2013, 11:47 PM

Quite frankly, I prefer the non-CGI stuff that's in the movies, since a lot of times the CGI that's in movies tends to look rushed and just doesn't hold up to real models. Real models just tend to add a depth of dimension to the movies that CGI tends to lack.

GalaxyX · January 12 2013, 12:04 AM

tomswift2002 wrote:

Quite frankly, I prefer the non-CGI stuff that's in the movies, since a lot of times the CGI that's in movies tends to look rushed and just doesn't hold up to real models. Real models just tend to add a depth of dimension to the movies that CGI tends to lack.

So fix up the scenes with real models then!

If they want to keep repackaging the same 3 movies over and over again, at the least fix the stuff that was wrong with them.

tighr · January 12 2013, 01:34 AM

Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote:

My DVD's were scratched. A buddy was nice enough to get me the blu-rays for Christmas!

I bought the DVDs the day they came out.

I bought the Blu-Rays the day they came out.

Bar none, my favorite film trilogy.

January 2 2013, 11:14 PM	#47
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: Minor BTTF Part Two question Of course Doc feels it vitally, desperately, important to do RIGHT FUCKING NOW to "save" Marty's kids. Yet doesn't feel Marty needs to know, at all, about the accident he's about to in that'll ruin his entire future. __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

January 3 2013, 12:25 AM	#49
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: Minor BTTF Part Two question Note that the USA Today is called the "Hill Valley Edition", suggesting the local paper was bought-out by national corporation. __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

January 11 2013, 04:22 PM	#52
GalaxyX Rear Admiral Location: Canada	Re: Minor BTTF Part Two question This movie desperately needs some CGI fixes. The Delorean flying scenes need to be redone. Particularly the ones in 1985. That plane that flies ovehead of them look so fake, and the flying scenes from Biff's Tower was so badly done. __________________ I love chemicals!!!

January 11 2013, 07:16 PM	#53
JarodRussell Vice Admiral	Re: Minor BTTF Part Two question Just why? __________________ lol l /\

January 11 2013, 09:47 PM	#54
Ethros Vice Admiral Location: 1123 6536 5321	Re: Minor BTTF Part Two question Just no more like. If the SFX don't look perfect it's because it was made 24 years ago, not 24 minutes ago. Deal with it.

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January 11 2013, 10:15 PM	#57
Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Location: Flying Spaghetti Western	Re: Minor BTTF Part Two question My DVD's were scratched. A buddy was nice enough to get me the blu-rays for Christmas! __________________ *"This is a violation of the ruddy Incarceration Act... and I will not be the subject of criminal abuse!!"*

January 11 2013, 11:47 PM	#58
tomswift2002 Captain	Re: Minor BTTF Part Two question Quite frankly, I prefer the non-CGI stuff that's in the movies, since a lot of times the CGI that's in movies tends to look rushed and just doesn't hold up to real models. Real models just tend to add a depth of dimension to the movies that CGI tends to lack.