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Old January 10 2013, 05:01 PM   #256
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Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

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Wait, how do thrusters work under water?
I don't know. However, the Delta Flyer had thrusters that worked underwater (with some modifications), and Janeway said the Voyager would be able to go miles underwater with some modifications.

I would think the Enterprise may be able to be modified to do the same.
I'm in with the idea that Enterprise could of course withstand a few atmospheres worth of pressure as provided by submergence in sea water. Why not? Hull design and structural integrity fields provide protection against rapidly fluctuating and extreme pressures and stresses within spitting distance of a singularity, ffs. She isn't going miles underwater, so I doubt she would need extensive modification of any sort (a la Voyager), apart from possibly something with her thrusters.

This has all been mentioned previously, of course, but I'm quite late to the party and all my thoughts have pretty much been previously stated.
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Old January 10 2013, 05:26 PM   #257
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Wait, how do thrusters work under water?
They use the isopalavial interface to reroute the auxiliary power to the firomactal drive.
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Old January 10 2013, 05:33 PM   #258
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Well they're not using propellors. If they're firing hot exhaust powerful enough to move a fifty story starship... That's gonna move a lot of water and mud around how they parked it and maybe break the rock face they're lying on. And yeah, kill a lot of sea life. And leave a lot of whatever they exhaust in the water.

EDIT: Mirrorball, you're not getting my meaning.
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Old January 10 2013, 06:36 PM   #259
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Wait, how do thrusters work under water?
The same way warp engines work in space.

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Old January 10 2013, 07:13 PM   #260
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The same way warp engines work in space.
You're not getting his meaning.
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Old January 10 2013, 07:21 PM   #261
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Wait, how do thrusters work under water?
The same way warp engines work in space.

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Old January 10 2013, 07:22 PM   #262
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Well they're not using propellors. If they're firing hot exhaust powerful enough to move a fifty story starship... That's gonna move a lot of water and mud around how they parked it and maybe break the rock face they're lying on. And yeah, kill a lot of sea life. And leave a lot of whatever they exhaust in the water.

EDIT: Mirrorball, you're not getting my meaning.
That nifty Trek device used many times in TNG called "inertia dampeners," that somehow can manipulate the gravitational field of a planet.
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Old January 10 2013, 09:45 PM   #263
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To be more accurate, if Berman and Braga featured an actual starship underwater the internet would be in an uproar by the people now shrugging it off.
If?

Fluidic space doesn't count, the Delta Flyer is a shuttle, not a starship, and there were complaints about Xindi ships going underwater. I should know, I'm the one who made them.

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You know, if the Enterprise was shown underwater in the pre-Abrams universe, with just a "who cares it looks cool" response, the uproar would be deafening, probably even from the people who are now shrugging it off.
To be more accurate, if Berman and Braga featured an actual starship underwater the internet would be in an uproar by the people now shrugging it off. There's precedent over this. The use of the term "Klingon Warbird" in Broken Bow got everyone in hysterics, with a few online reviews docking the episode upwards to five points in their final score of the episode because of it. Trek XI uses the same term and there's not a single complaint from anyone.
You mean like village-sized holoship in Insurrection? No only did they do it, but they did it in such a bland fashion you forgot it ever happened!!
I said Berman and Braga. Braga had nothing to do with Insurrection, thereby explaining why fandom didn't get in outrage.
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Old January 10 2013, 09:52 PM   #264
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Fluidic space doesn't count...
Why not?
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Fluidic space doesn't count...
Why not?
Because it's not really water, it's some sort of fictional substance.

Yes, that is the argument I'm going to use.
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Well they're not using propellors. If they're firing hot exhaust powerful enough to move a fifty story starship... That's gonna move a lot of water and mud around how they parked it and maybe break the rock face they're lying on. And yeah, kill a lot of sea life. And leave a lot of whatever they exhaust in the water.

EDIT: Mirrorball, you're not getting my meaning.
That nifty Trek device used many times in TNG called "inertia dampeners," that somehow can manipulate the gravitational field of a planet.
Do you mean "Inertial damper"?
Inertial dampers were a system used on almost all starships to counter the effects of rapid acceleration and deceleration of a starship by sustaining and absorbing the natural inertia of a vessel as it moved through space or if it was under attack from another vessel.
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Old January 10 2013, 10:16 PM   #267
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Do you mean "Inertial damper"?
Inertial dampers were a system used on almost all starships to counter the effects of rapid acceleration and deceleration of a starship by sustaining and absorbing the natural inertia of a vessel as it moved through space or if it was under attack from another vessel.
Yep that would be the techno-babble, thank you. In ST Insurrection Worf and Picard used them to help decelerate while locked onto Data's shuttle and keep him in tow.

So if they can be used for that - why not also use them as a way to power the ship underwater?
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Old January 10 2013, 10:27 PM   #268
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Fluidic space doesn't count, the Delta Flyer is a shuttle, not a starship...
Yeah, but Janeway was prepared to use the Voyager for that mission.
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Old January 10 2013, 10:31 PM   #269
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Fluidic space doesn't count, the Delta Flyer is a shuttle, not a starship...
Yeah, but Janeway was prepared to use the Voyager for that mission.
But she didn't, therefore there was nothing to ignite (or dare I say detonate) fandom.
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Old January 10 2013, 11:12 PM   #270
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Yeah, but Janeway was prepared to use the Voyager for that mission.
But she didn't, therefore there was nothing to ignite (or dare I say detonate) fandom.


I don't know. I don't think it really matters if she actually used Voyager to go underwater or if she just suggested that it could. I think the fandom could easily be riled up by something said on the screen if they felt strongly about something.
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Captain, with a few simple thruster modifications to the Delta Flyer, she will be seaworthy in no time.

CAPTAIN JANEWAY:
Good. It'd take at least a week to make the necessary modifications to Voyager.
Janeway's very suggestion that the Voyager could be modified to be seaworthy SHOULD be enough to detonate the fans if they really felt that strongly against Starship seaworthiness. However, it seems like they accept the idea, just like Star Trek fans have almost always accepted the the fictional technology presented to them.

You may be strongly against it, but don't assume the rest of fandom is.

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