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Old December 20 2012, 10:47 PM   #61
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Re: Kirk's Television Enterprise Deck Plans WIP

That does gives us options. Each cabin could be unique in what features they have in addition to the standard two rooms and two doors with the spinning mirror/cabinet.

As to Spock's cabin in "Amok Time" - there is room for a small toilet room next to the spinning mirror/cabinet. The camera never looks towards the "bedroom" door wall area. Perhaps it's a shared bathroom? since that door doesn't have a sign on the outside signifying it is Spock's cabin? I think in other scenes, both doors that have access to the cabin have a wall sign on it...?
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Old December 21 2012, 07:03 PM   #62
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blssdwlf wrote: View Post
"As to Spock's cabin in "Amok Time" - there is room for a small toilet room next to the spinning mirror/cabinet."
Hmm...maybe a part of the spinning cabinet has a toilet seat.
One third is mirror section with the drawers, one third is a closed wall, the last third is unknown (maybe Spock felt in "The Conscience of the King" that the toilet section wasn't the part where the phaser on overload could have possibly been hidden ).

It's really stupid that starting with Season Two they didn't put the "bathroom door" on the opposite side of the quarters set. It somehow looks odd that all the quarters have one adjacent room with a yellow door to the left that doesn't appear to be connected with the quarters. Maybe it's an ultrasonic shower cabin most officers have to share (Kirk and McCoy probably didn't give up their 'Hilton suites' on Deck 12 without a fight ).

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Old December 25 2012, 02:30 AM   #63
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"However, nothing says it has to be a bathroom door. Maybe it's just a narrow closet?"
You seem to have a talent for understatement . I just revisited the WIP Enterprise thread of blssdwlf because of the phaser control room and eventually found this: http://startrekhistory.com/DS4.html

Thus, in "The Corbomite Maneuver" the "bathroom door" of Kirk's cabin was actually a closet door. Fascinating, I didn't know.

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Old December 25 2012, 08:08 PM   #64
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Yep, that's the scene I was thinking of. The link is actually in my earlier post too. Obviously a bit buried!
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Old December 26 2012, 11:11 AM   #65
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Mytran wrote: View Post
"Yep, that's the scene I was thinking of. The link is actually in my earlier post too. Obviously a bit buried! "
No, it's in broad daylight and apparently I didn't pay attention, so I'm the one to blame . Please accept my apologies!

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Old January 5 2013, 11:58 PM   #66
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I hope you all had a good start into 2013. I used the holidays to re-think and re-evaluate the first drafts presented in 2012 and would like to thank everybody for providing constructive criticism, inspiration and support.

Realizing there aren’t that many obstacles to keep these plans “screen-accurate” enabled me to try a different approach – which I think not only works but also does look much better, but you'll be the judges of that.

Here’s Round Two of this blueprinting project and it is just coincidence that 2013 begins with Engineering Deck 13:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7qlk0u36zt...ion%203.01.JPG

In the first draft I tried (too hard) to keep the corridors extending from the corridor circle (surrounding the antimatter pod and the matter-antimatter reactor # 3) screen-accurate which resulted in too many diagonal corridors or turbo shafts within the basic rectangular shape of the ship’s engineering hull.

Therefore my first new approach was to align the corridor - Commodore Decker used in “Doomsday Machine” to get to the shuttlecraft - with the central axis (this inevitably pushed the corridor used in “The Immunity Syndrome” further to the stern but I don’t think that’s going to be a problem) at "3 o’clock".

I was concerned that the turbo shaft (5 o'clock) would push the port side window cabins (6 o’clock) out of alignment but that concern was unfounded: Another look at “Mudd’s Women” and the scene where they entered turbo lift 7 through an “A-frame” on E-Deck 14 or lower (to see Kirk in his provisional quarters on E-Deck 12) revealed that the A-frame should be adjacent to these port side cabins: http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...womenhd119.jpg

Contrary to Kirk’s and Janice’s quarters on E-Deck 12, there is no visual evidence of a corridor intersection between the cabin of Mudd (“3F 125” on E-Deck 13) or McCoy’s in “The Man Trap” (“3F 127” on E-Deck 12) and the adjacent turbo lift on the port side.

I think the port side horizontal turbo shaft, now running parallel to the central axis, is another improvement compared to the first draft.
The angled-in hangar access corridor from the starboard side (“Let That Be Your Last Battlefield”) has now moved to the port side, freeing up extra space on the starboard side for shuttlecraft storage and/or else (I assume the structure overhead in the hangar bay, seen during a short camera pan in TOS “Journey to Babel”, to be part of a shuttlecraft transportation system to lift the shuttles from storage into the bay for flight preparation / refueling or repair / maintenance).

Since E-Deck 12 will soon see the addition of a forward main sensor-deflector engine room, I reconsidered aligning its adjacent corridors with those below.

As a result the outer and long circular bow corridors from the first draft are gone, and the remaining shorter section is closer to the main circular corridor.

Nomad's “top security cell” (Kirk) from “The Changeling” was shot in such a fashion that this (Season Two) corridor can be turned 180° to make it compatible with the Season One corridor, a gift from the DP of this episode I couldn’t reject.

Even for a top security area I felt a medical ward useful and thought of the one from “Where No Man Has Gone Before”. The section with the beds aligns nicely with the adjacent corridor (much shorter now and allowing various rectangular room configurations towards the bow).

Apparently, Charlie Evans’ cell has been reduced in depth, but the only thing that has gone missing is the bed behind the room divider. Strictly technical speaking it should be there according to the original Season One studio set plans, but a) in the actual episode we never really saw what’s behind the room divider and b) in real life you’d make sure that there are no blind spots in a prison cell. I’ve taken the artistic liberty to relocate the bed where you’d expect to find it and in plain sight…
However, there may be good reason to locate the prison cell seen in "Charlie X" elsewhere...

Where I found myself between a rock and a hard place was how to assign the corridor segments with the intersections (i.e. the outer corridor at 9 o’clock versus the main corridor at 12 o’clock).

One should go to “Charlie X” (Charlie’s security cell) and the other to “Dagger of the Mind” (where Dr. Van Gelder knocks down the security crewman), both corridor segments are easily distinguished because of the black (“Charlie X”: http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...rliexhd481.jpg) or blue (“Dagger of the Mind”: http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...emindhd064.jpg) door signs.

Admittedly, the “Science Library” makes lesser sense in the top security area but to sacrifice the only 6’ wide panoramic window on this deck for the “Computer Statistics” room seemed such a crime, that I did rather choose to interpret the indiscernible “Cnmmnter” (http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...rliexhd476.jpg) as “Commander” and thus as the cabin (there’s a cabin number below!) of the Enterprise’s head of security during “Charlie X”, possibly a predecessor to Commander Giotto (“The Devil in the Dark”).

The demise of a previous head of security (with a longer name than "Giotto" on that door sign) - there were nine fatalities in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" - would explain the temporary assignment of Lieutenant Cmdr. Kelowitz in this position prior to the first appearance of Giotto. Of course, we'd have one more redshirt to add to the infamous fatality list.

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Old January 7 2013, 02:12 PM   #67
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It seems that dropbox does not act well as a host for pictures (although direct links work fine). I have taken the liberty of putting deck 13 up on my Photobucket account, and we can now revisit your fine article with pictures!


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Old January 8 2013, 06:00 PM   #68
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May the Great Bird of the Galaxy bless your house, Mytran! Thanks (You know what to do, once I posted the revision of E-Deck 14? ).

Some quick upgrades on E-Deck 13 that came up in the meantime that didn't make it to the draft illustrated:

A) corridor "to" antimatter-pod at 11 o'clock will become access corridor used by Scotty and crew in "That Which Survives" to the antimatter-pod connection crawlway used by Scotty to stop the antimatter from "leaking" uncontrolled into reactor # 3 above.

B) corridor from "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" will move to E-Deck 11 and become the angular end of the WNM corridor (E-Deck 10 first draft) leading to the flight deck.

Possibly the flight deck will take on a green illumination once fully pressured (?!)
Although we have seen the hangar deck after arrival in "Journey to Babel" and prior to departure in "The Immunity Syndrome" there was never a hint of green illumination like in "Let That Be..."

And there's proably no need to store the shuttlecraft Lokai stole from Starbase 4 in the ship's "garage" as it's probably returned at the earliest next convenience.

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Old January 8 2013, 08:35 PM   #69
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Fascinating thread. Love the approach. I've been following this for a week or so and just signed up today.

At risk of embarrassing myself by putting ignorance on display and/or rehashing something already said in the miles of conversations I haven't had time to read yet, I will nonetheless forge ahead with my neophytic attempt at a contribution:

If shuttlecraft capacity is an issue, I believe (if memory serves) that the rotator platform in the center of the hangar deck is also an elevator, in theory providing the necessary storage space on the deck below. Doug Drexler's cutaway diagram seems to supports this.

http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/1701-cutaway/

And now a multipart question: I've found a couple of Jefferies' studio set plans, but have not yet seen anything with differing corridor radii. Did we actually see significant differences in curvature on screen? Were any of the set walls moveable? Is the diameter of the "outer" circular corridor you're working with speculative?

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Old January 8 2013, 09:53 PM   #70
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@ Just a Bill

Thanks for your kind words and don't worry. I'm myself relatively new and sometimes I'm equally in the dark, whether something has already abundantly discussed or not.

This thread has been inspired / encouraged by blssdwlf, who apparently has CGI talents I can only dream of (for now) and a similar thread, here's the link to his thread's page where I attempted a summary (for newcomers like you and myself): http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=119751&page=35

Despite mutual goals there are some differences in our approaches, but we do agree that in TOS we've seen the flight deck (where the shuttles do land) and in contrast the hangar deck (where we saw these beeing boarded or left).

In my deck plan drafts the flight deck would be E-Deck 11 and the hangar deck E-Deck 13 (you've 'just' seen here).

To answer your question: Yes, the diameter of the outer (main) corridor in my drafts is a tweak ("speculative") of the original studio set's diameter, unfortunate but inevitable: Circular corridors in the engineering hull do exist, but especially on "Deck 12" we have the regular (studio set) corridor with adjacent cabins with windows! As for possible evidence of production intent to present the (same) rigid studio set throughout multiple locations aboard the Enterprise with different corridor curvatures I recommend you read the introduction to this thread.

I'm about to post the revised draft for E-Deck 14, after that and in the next days I will continue chronologically from E-Deck 12 to the top.

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Old January 8 2013, 10:13 PM   #71
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I must say that the down below transporter rooms from “Mudd’s Women” and “Dagger of the Mind” have caused me considerable headaches right from the start, because the transporter room studio set is a rectangular room that inevitably demands a corresponding positioning in a rectangular hull like the engineering one.

The previous draft of E-Deck 14 tried to realize a corresponding positioning but didn’t really look great. My first aim for the revision was to clear the stern area of corridors that might limit the height of structures associated with the hull’s bottom hatches.

These won’t really go much higher than the floor of the Hangar Deck but that’s reason enough to at least keep the rear space below E-Deck 13 free of obstacles.

Here is the revision of Engineering Deck 14: https://www.dropbox.com/s/six8x5jjdm...ion%203.01.JPG

One of the transporter rooms I felt was absolutely necessary to locate down below was the (first) transporter room in “Tomorrow Is Yesterday” where Captain Christopher arrived.

The turbo lift travel times may not be a reliable indicator, but it took Captain Christopher and Captain Kirk 45 seconds to get from the closest transporter room turbo lift to the bridge! http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...erdayhd106.jpg

In comparison, it took Kirk, Spock and Scotty only 43 seconds to get from a deck below the engine room in the engineering hull to the bridge in “By Any Other Name” and part of this was horizontal travel compared to vertical / diagonal travel only in Kirk’s and Christopher’s case!

In my transporter room thread Timo was on to something (as usual, one might want to add), wondering if the door opposite the transporter room might lead to another transporter room facing the other way (to explain the erratic routes: sometimes to the left, sometimes to the right, sometimes both – arriving from the right, leaving to the left or vice versa).

Apparently Timo’s essential idea is quite correct but it appears the transporter rooms are on opposite sides of the engineering hull as this arrangement solves a multitude of riddles I previously encountered (additionally, the central axis corridor - not yet illustrated - has to connect near the bow to the port side transporter room corridor to explain the movement of Kirk and Dr. van Gelder in “Dagger of the Mind”).

It even accommodates the transporter room from “Where No Man Has Gone Before / WNM” (just in case I won’t find a suitable location in the saucer ) on the starboard side, opposite the old one from “The Cage” on the port side (which I had always believed to be below in the engineering hull - in Pike’s days an energy consuming device that required immense power from the adjacent and able bulk of machinery).

The existence of only these two transporter rooms in the beginning (one “transporter section”) might also explain why the door signs of the other transporter rooms (in the saucer) don’t come with room numbers – like the briefing rooms do (i.e. before TAS)!

However, the biggest boost to solve this riddle came from the forward main sensor-deflector engine room (e.g. “Journey to Babel”) idea that has been discussed in another thread.

We have seen this enigmatic power column connecting the engine room to the transporter system in “The Enemy Within” (and aboard the Constellation in “The Doomsday-Machine”).

More importantly, to make this connection in the forward main sensor-deflector engine room, makes perfect sense to me, considering that this engine room either powers the deflector shields OR the transporter system (!!!).

Of course, “Mudd’s Women” was a one time reckless exception where the Enterprise extended her deflector shields AND attempted to transport passengers within the shield’s protective area. No wonder the dilithium circuits burned out under that kind of stress…

Bob

P.S.

Interesting detail: The WNM transporter room has a door label above saying "Transporter" and the room number "3C 46". Two decks above and almost over the same spot will be Janice's Cabin from "The Enemy Within" - which happens to be cabin "3C 46". At least the alphabetic sections seem to correspond.

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Sorry, didn't write "bottom" on this deck plan. A Freudian lapse, apparently...
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Old January 9 2013, 01:13 PM   #72
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Here you go!
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Old January 9 2013, 03:10 PM   #73
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Thanks Mytran, you interpreted my quote from Michael Ironside correctly.

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Old January 13 2013, 06:20 PM   #74
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Engineering Deck 12 (Version 3.01 / 130112)
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I dare to say that the revision of E-Deck 12 is quite a paradigm shift from the first draft and was rather time consuming (though it probably doesn’t show):

Part I:

The Main Sensor-Deflector Engine Room, is, of course, the only canonical location for the engine room ever revealed in TOS (by the alien entity seen leaving the ship in “Day of the Dove” – TOS-R put it further to the stern but I’ll have an engine room there on E-Deck 9, too, so it’s going to be up to the viewer where he wants to see the entity leave…).

And first discussed here, “The Immunity Syndrome” definitely suggested an engine room with a power pipe ‘cathdral’ facing the bow! (Though it’s difficult to see from Scotty’s point of view in the - for this one time occasion redressed - Emergency Manual Monitor set, every fan has a pretty good idea where the cathedral is and where the entry to this engine room would or should be).

As illustrated the forced perspective of the cathedral (this is the only time I will not ‘unforce’ the perspective), i.e. actual proportions of the studio set, works rather well extending into the main sensor-deflector, but the actual leveling should make alignment between the innermost sensor-deflector ring and the “ceiling struts” of this engine room possible: http://www.flickr.com/photos/birdoft...n/photostream/

Next to “The Immunity Syndrome” I’d only be sure we’ve seen this one in “Journey to Babel”, too, especially since we never saw the starboard side walls of this engine room, which enabled me to keep Yeoman Rand’s “Deck 12” cabin (now at 10 o’clock) from “The Enemy Within”. Apparently, the WNM corridor angle on the starboard side still needs to move further to the center to
a) enable Janice at least to have a “Corbomite Maneuver” wall closet,
b) to align the WNM ladder booth better with the corridor line and
c) to make a straight extension to the 10 o’clock turbo lift possible (although I don’t know yet, if I can put this “offer” to good use, on E-Deck 10 perhaps).

The great thing about “The Enemy Within” is that the Season Two corridor can stay essentially as it is, because the shots outside Rand’s Deck 12 cabin don’t reveal that many details to make an “upgrade rationalization” necessary (except the missing yellow door near the 8 o’clock turbo lift).

For the Karidian’s guest quarters from “The Conscience of the King” I didn’t find a better place, but changed its rotation and did some original set reconstruction (two “Pike shelves” facing each other).

Having relocated Harry Mudd’s cabin to E-Deck 13, Dr. McCoy can now have his provisional cabin (with the window above his bed) from “The Man Trap” on the port side while Captain Kirk’s provisional cabin has remained on the starboard side.

Frankly, the more I think about it, the less I’m happy with Commodore Decker’s corridor on E-Deck 13 and I think to make this one diagonal will not only be the accurate way, but will also better visualize the function of these A-frame related panels I believe to be some kind of radiation protection screens (the shuttlecrafts’ fuel is radioactive). Inevitably I shall loose turbo shaft alignment in the 4 o’clock area.

And last but not least, the corridor in the intersection close to Kirk’s provisional cabin extended rather deep into the core area, as seen in “The Enemy Within” thus accuracy demanded to reproduce it accordingly (interesting riddle: was he on his way to an adjacent restroom to wash off the blood stains or did he want to hide in the engineering compartment behind the other yellow door?).

I have to admit that I had first intended to relocate the electro-plasma (EPS) primary relay (from the first draft on E-Deck 10) - suggested by the second part of the ENT episode “In A Mirror, Darkly” which took place aboard the USS Defiant (NCC-1764) – there anyway, so the aforementioned corridor near Kirk’s cabin decided the orientation…

One of the bigger deviations from the first draft is what I’d now like to refer to as the reactor core which more and more took the shape of a pre-TMP and pre-TNG vertical “warp core” (a predecessor, in essence), but I will get to this in Part II of a following text comment to describe my theory.

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Very interesting the direction your main reactor is taking! Looking forward to part 2...

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