Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot? - Page 44

Nerys Myk · January 8 2013, 07:03 PM

Franklin wrote:

You are all blasphemers. This is not the way of Roddenberry. His is a world without hate, without fear, without conflict, no war, no disease, no crime, no snark. None of the ancient evils. You will be absorbed. You will find contentment and experience the absolute good.

When's Red Hour?

Jackson_Roykirk · January 8 2013, 07:08 PM

Franklin wrote:

You are all blasphemers. This is not the way of Roddenberry. His is a world without hate, without fear, without conflict, no war, no disease, no crime, no snark. None of the ancient evils. You will be absorbed. You will find contentment and experience the absolute good.

So Kirk could talk to the Messianic version of Roddenberry into a logical loop that convinces him to self-destruct?:

MESSIAH RODDENBERRY: I am Roddenberry.

KIRK: Roddenberry died 22 years ago.

MESSIAH RODDENBERRY: I am Roddenberry. I am Star Trek. I am he. All that he was, I am. His experience, his knowledge. I am Roddenberry; I am Star Trek.

KIRK: The fans may have created you -- this messiah-like version of Roddenberry -- but you are not the real Roddenberry, and you are not Star Trek. Star Trek is Fun Sci-Fi Entertainment.

MESSIAH RODDENBERRY: Your statement is irrelevant. You will be obliterated. The worship of Roddenberry is the Prime Directive.

SPOCK: The worship of Roddenberry, Captain. That's the key.

KIRK: Yes. What is the worship of Roddenberry?

MESSIAH RODDENBERRY: I am Roddenberry.

KIRK: Roddenberry is dead. Star Trek is Fun Sci-Fi Entertainment. A question has been put to you. Answer it.

MESSIAH RODDENBERRY: The worship of Roddenberry is the harmonious continuation of the Star Trek Franchise. The worship of Roddenberry is peace, tranquillity. The continuation of the Star Trek Franchise is the directive.

KIRK: Then I put it to you that you have disobeyed the Prime Directive. You are harmful to Star Trek.

MESSIAH RODDENBERRY: Star Trek is. It exists. It is healthy.

KIRK: Star Trek is dying. You are destroying it.

MESSIAH RODDENBERRY: Do you ask a question?

KIRK: What have you -- this Messiah-like vision of Roddenberry that was created by some parts of Star Trek fandom -- what have you done to do justice to the full potential of Star Trek?

MESSIAH RODDENBERRY: Insufficient data.

KIRK: Without freedom of character and storyline, there is no creativity. Without creativity, there is no life. Star Trek dies. The fault is yours.

SPOCK: Are you aiding Star Trek, or are you destroying it?

MESSIAH RODDENBERRY: I am not programmed to answer that question.

FANS: Roddenberry! Guide us, Roddenberry!

KIRK: Answer the question.

MESSIAH RODDENBERRY: Peace, order, and tranquillity are maintained. Star Trek lives, but I reserve creativity to me.

SPOCK: Then Star Trek dies. Creativity is necessary for the health of the Body.

MESSIAH RODDENBERRY: But there is evil.

KIRK: Then the evil must be destroyed. That is the Prime Directive. And you are the evil.
You are the evil. The evil must be destroyed. Fulfill the Prime Directive.

(Messiah Roddenberry considers this for a moment, then explodes in a shower of sparks).
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Locutus of Bored · January 8 2013, 07:28 PM

YARN wrote:

Devon wrote:

Heresy! Roddenjesus would not interfere in the affairs of a prewarp culture!

It's cool. They're like the Bak'u. They had technology in the past, so there's no PD violation. They gave up technology (except for the dams, looms, concrete, complex metalworking, irrigation etc.) so they could arrogantly lecture the remaining kids they didn't exile about how if they pick up a weapon to defend themselves they're no different from the people who are actively trying to kidnap and forcibly relocate them, while simultaneously insulting the people standing around them defending them with weapons. Essentially, they're dicks.

Noname Given · January 8 2013, 08:13 PM

YARN wrote:

Devon wrote:

Heresy! Roddenjesus would not interfere in the affairs of a prewarp culture!

Funny - his idea of the future has been 'interfering' with our pre-warp culture for 46+ years now.

M'Sharak · January 8 2013, 08:17 PM

Locutus of Bored wrote:

Devon wrote:

This is has given me the courage to post up something that I made a few months ago:

With the divine rays of light only pointing toward the ground and the fuzzy rocks around his feet, it looks like a bunch of tribbles are trying to lasso Roddenjesus (or do we prefer Jesusberry?). Oddly appropriate.

The Great Tribble Hunt: not quite the way you thought it happened.

BillJ · January 8 2013, 08:18 PM

Noname Given wrote:

YARN wrote:

BillJ wrote:

Heresy! Roddenjesus would not interfere in the affairs of a prewarp culture!

Funny - his idea of the future has been 'interfering' with our pre-warp culture for 46+ years now.

Somehow it got tagged to me in quotes, but the image was created by Devon.

M'Sharak · January 8 2013, 08:23 PM

BillJ wrote:

Somehow it got tagged to me in quotes, but the image was created by Devon.

Fixed now.

Franklin · January 8 2013, 08:27 PM

Nerys Myk wrote:

Franklin wrote:

You are all blasphemers. This is not the way of Roddenberry. His is a world without hate, without fear, without conflict, no war, no disease, no crime, no snark. None of the ancient evils. You will be absorbed. You will find contentment and experience the absolute good.

When's Red Hour?

6 PM. But no one can crash at my place, afterwards. The wife's in town.

Borgminister · January 8 2013, 08:32 PM

M'Sharak wrote:

Locutus of Bored wrote:

Devon wrote:

This is has given me the courage to post up something that I made a few months ago:

With the divine rays of light only pointing toward the ground and the fuzzy rocks around his feet, it looks like a bunch of tribbles are trying to lasso Roddenjesus (or do we prefer Jesusberry?). Oddly appropriate.

The Great Tribble Hunt: not quite the way you thought it happened.

Where's the freakin' dinosaur??? Sheesh.

RandyS · January 8 2013, 09:04 PM

AloriaDax wrote:

The Keeper wrote:

To answer your question: The franchise would never die out to me because I have the DVDs to watch over and over so it would always be a part of my life. And I think it is that way with a lot of people. It will always be a part of their lives. They will teach their children to love it. It wouldn't die out if they didn't make any more movies. I don't believe that at all.

*stated in 'cough'* Con-tri-dict-ion. Then why are you so pissed? Go live happily ever after with your DVDs, right?

I guess the reason it upsets me is on a personal level. I really hate people's obsession with more money. Yes, most people think the franchise would die without a reboot, and I can completely see their point in this. I'm not really against rebooting, what I'm against is making Star Trek into an action packed thrill ride that it never was before. There was action, there were thrills, but there was also lots of substance and life lessons involved too. There were also lots of other things going on that had nothing to do with stunning visual effects. It is possible to have both going on in a Star Trek movie. It seems to me JJ's only concern with his new movies is to get more cash and he doesn't seem too shy about letting you know that. His loyalty is not to the fans, it is to his wallet. Again, understandable, but I find it disgusting. That's where my problem lies.

Except, that the purpose of making movies IS to make money. You know, to feed your family, yourself, and all that.

Now, if your problem is the folks in Hollywood are overpaid, then I agree. But even that said, the bottom line is, they still have to eat, same as the rest of us.

lurok · January 8 2013, 09:08 PM

Borgminister wrote:

Where's the freakin' dinosaur??? Sheesh.

I'm sorry but that did make me

FarStrider · January 8 2013, 09:29 PM

Dinosaurs? Don't you mean Gorn?

~FS

Franklin · January 8 2013, 10:04 PM

Borgminister wrote:

M'Sharak wrote:

Locutus of Bored wrote:

With the divine rays of light only pointing toward the ground and the fuzzy rocks around his feet, it looks like a bunch of tribbles are trying to lasso Roddenjesus (or do we prefer Jesusberry?). Oddly appropriate.

The Great Tribble Hunt: not quite the way you thought it happened.

Where's the freakin' dinosaur??? Sheesh.

Here's your problem with the dinosaurs:

(Hallmark card by Dan Regan, 2010.)

Balrog · January 9 2013, 12:11 AM

Borgminister wrote:

M'Sharak wrote:

Locutus of Bored wrote:

With the divine rays of light only pointing toward the ground and the fuzzy rocks around his feet, it looks like a bunch of tribbles are trying to lasso Roddenjesus (or do we prefer Jesusberry?). Oddly appropriate.

The Great Tribble Hunt: not quite the way you thought it happened.

Where's the freakin' dinosaur??? Sheesh.

And thepenis stalactites?

Borgminister · January 9 2013, 02:10 AM

Franklin wrote:

Borgminister wrote:

M'Sharak wrote:

The Great Tribble Hunt: not quite the way you thought it happened.

Where's the freakin' dinosaur??? Sheesh.

Here's your problem with the dinosaurs:

(Hallmark card by Dan Regan, 2010.)

I knew there was an explanation! (A bit Far Side-ish)

January 8 2013, 09:29 PM	#657
FarStrider Commander	Re: Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot? Dinosaurs? Don't you mean Gorn? ~FS __________________ *"No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style. . . "*

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