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Old January 7 2013, 07:54 PM   #16
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I liked 2061 better than 2010, as a book. Maybe what took me out of 2010 was the continued references to the Soviets. What I liked about 2061 is that we actually get to "see" some pretty exotic science fiction locations... Halley's Comet, Europa, Ganymede.
Agreed. Part of the problem for me with 2010 and to a lesser degree 2061 was that Bradbury got so far outside of the realities of our actual timeline.

The whole notion in 2061 that white Africans would exit the country leaving the black nation to fend for itself and then the search for the big diamond got strange.

To enjoy the entire series the reader/film goer has to completely suspend our disbelief on our real timeline versus the fictional one.

It's interesting with Trek that they kept modifying the Trek timeline to fit [somewhat] what exists today.

I forget - how did they reconcile with the eugenics wars in Trek with TOS having it occurring in 1999 versus Enterprise?
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Old January 7 2013, 10:14 PM   #17
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Agreed. Part of the problem for me with 2010 and to a lesser degree 2061 was that Bradbury got so far outside of the realities of our actual timeline.
I think you mean Clarke...

I forget - how did they reconcile with the eugenics wars in Trek with TOS having it occurring in 1999 versus Enterprise?
The Eugenics Wars haven't been moved. They always took place in the late 90's.
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Old January 7 2013, 10:16 PM   #18
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Agreed. Part of the problem for me with 2010 and to a lesser degree 2061 was that Bradbury got so far outside of the realities of our actual timeline.

The whole notion in 2061 that white Africans would exit the country leaving the black nation to fend for itself and then the search for the big diamond got strange.
I think you mean Clarke; Bradbury was some other guy who wrote a book with a number in the title.

I actually liked the South African subplot of 2061 (despite it ignoring Apartheid), because it was quite ironic that the Whites left the South Africans to suffer, and the South Africans were able to rebuild their economy relatively quickly and become a world power. Sure, its not true, but it made for good reading.

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I forget - how did they reconcile with the eugenics wars in Trek with TOS having it occurring in 1999 versus Enterprise?
Enterprise glossed over it entirely. Voyager completely ignored it (in Future's End, which takes place in present day Earth). Even ST:IV ignores it, even though the Eugenics Wars should have been beginning by that point.

Some writers claim that the Eugenics War was actually a type of "Cold War" or underground, fought between nations while the general population was unaware. That accounts for the absence of reliable "records".

EDIT: Damn, sniped.
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Old January 7 2013, 10:51 PM   #19
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Some writers claim that the Eugenics War was actually a type of "Cold War" or underground, fought between nations while the general population was unaware. That accounts for the absence of reliable "records".
Also, the USA was not involved in the Eugenics Wars, so it's not surprising that the visits to the past (most of which did indeed involve the US) didn't depict it.
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Old January 8 2013, 01:35 AM   #20
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A film adaptation of "3001" would be accused of ripping off Independence Day
Just like the book.
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Old January 8 2013, 01:40 AM   #21
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Archer mentioned that his great grandfather fought in the Eugenics Wars but other than that do date was included.
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Old January 8 2013, 02:02 AM   #22
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A film adaptation of "3001" would be accused of ripping off Independence Day
Just like the book.
As RJD points out above, Independence Day rips off Childhood's End, just about as badly as you can rip something off. The central plot of giant spaceships orbiting the world's largest cities? There's no way that was an accident.
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Old January 8 2013, 09:16 AM   #23
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A film adaptation of "3001" would be accused of ripping off Independence Day
Just like the book.
As RJD points out above, Independence Day rips off Childhood's End, just about as badly as you can rip something off. The central plot of giant spaceships orbiting the world's largest cities? There's no way that was an accident.
We need an irony emoticon.
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