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Old January 3 2013, 01:38 AM   #31
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Re: Worst lines of dialogue in the entire series?

I thought the hate came from looking upon being a woman as worse than being dead. In any situation, that's pretty damn harsh.
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Old January 3 2013, 06:22 AM   #32
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First one the comes to mind . . . "Double Red Alert!"
Which episode was that in? Makes me think of "Double Secret Probation."[/QUOTE]

"Double Red Alert" was from Conscience of the King, delivered by Capt. Kirk when Lenore Karidian put a phaser, set on overload, in the vent in Kirk's cabin - in order to eliminate him as one of the few remaining witnesses who can identify her father as Govenor Kodos of Tarsus IV.
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Old January 3 2013, 06:43 AM   #33
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First one the comes to mind . . . "Double Red Alert!"
Which episode was that in? Makes me think of "Double Secret Probation."
"Double Red Alert" was from Conscience of the King, delivered by Capt. Kirk when Lenore Karidian put a phaser, set on overload, in the vent in Kirk's cabin - in order to eliminate him as one of the few remaining witnesses who can identify her father as Govenor Kodos of Tarsus IV.[/QUOTE]

Where red alert is simply an alert to immediate danger, double red could be shorthand for an internal emergency such as an impending hull breech which could trigger an evacuation of the area the alert is given from? In reality, it probably just sounded dire to the writers.
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Old January 3 2013, 06:49 PM   #34
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Silliest line I could not take seriously even if I tried.

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Old January 3 2013, 07:04 PM   #35
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Miramanee: "I thought you no longer had the dreams, that you no longer saw the strange lodge which moves through the sky."
Underrated and hilarious.
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Old January 4 2013, 04:47 PM   #36
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Old January 4 2013, 08:09 PM   #37
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Still don't get all the hate for this episode and Janice's sentiments in that. Janice is batshit crazy, and she sees herself and her career as an utter failure. Rather than accepting responsibility for that, she blames it on some sort of inherent bias against women in Starfleet. She's looking for an excuse. I don't take it as a factual statement about 23rd century attitudes concerning women. I take it as her attempting to rationalize her situation using whatever excuse she can find.
This.
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Old January 5 2013, 08:11 PM   #38
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^ Not intending to demean the later series, but I do think TOS tended to more often demand more of the viewer in terms of thinking for themselves and "filling in the blanks," as it were, while the later series tended to spell everything out. I can imagine the same episode redone for TNG (with apologies to CoveTom for the stolen dialog ):

INT. CONFERENCE ROOM

WESLEY: "I don't understand Dr. Lester's last statement...about living as a woman being worse than death."

WORF: "Dr. Lester is batshit crazy."

BEVERLY: "She sees herself and her career as an utter failure."

DEANNA: "Rather than accepting responsibility for that, she blames it on some sort of inherent bias against women in Starfleet."

GEORDI: "She's looking for an excuse."

PICARD: "I don't take it as a factual statement about 23rd century attitudes concerning women. 20th century, maybe--"

RIKER: "20th century? Those poor, primitive people. I'm surprised they managed to survive their own ignorance."

PICARD: "Yes, quite, Number One. Anyway, I take it as her attempting to rationalize her situation using whatever excuse she can find."
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Old January 5 2013, 09:01 PM   #39
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^ Not intending to demean the later series, but I do think TOS tended to more often demand more of the viewer in terms of thinking for themselves and "filling in the blanks," as it were, while the later series tended to spell everything out. I can imagine the same episode redone for TNG (with apologies to CoveTom for the stolen dialog ):

INT. CONFERENCE ROOM

WESLEY: "I don't understand Dr. Lester's last statement...about living as a woman being worse than death."

WORF: "Dr. Lester is batshit crazy."

BEVERLY: "She sees herself and her career as an utter failure."

DEANNA: "Rather than accepting responsibility for that, she blames it on some sort of inherent bias against women in Starfleet."


GEORDI: "She's looking for an excuse."

PICARD: "I don't take it as a factual statement about 23rd century attitudes concerning women. 20th century, maybe--"

RIKER: "20th century? Those poor, primitive people. I'm surprised they managed to survive their own ignorance."

PICARD: "Yes, quite, Number One. Anyway, I take it as her attempting to rationalize her situation using whatever excuse she can find."
Wesley: "So Starfleet DID allow women to be captains in Kirk's time?"

(Awkward silence)
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Old January 6 2013, 04:28 PM   #40
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^ Not intending to demean the later series, but I do think TOS tended to more often demand more of the viewer in terms of thinking for themselves and "filling in the blanks," as it were, while the later series tended to spell everything out. I can imagine the same episode redone for TNG (with apologies to CoveTom for the stolen dialog ):

INT. CONFERENCE ROOM

WESLEY: "I don't understand Dr. Lester's last statement...about living as a woman being worse than death."

WORF: "Dr. Lester is batshit crazy."

BEVERLY: "She sees herself and her career as an utter failure."

DEANNA: "Rather than accepting responsibility for that, she blames it on some sort of inherent bias against women in Starfleet."


GEORDI: "She's looking for an excuse."

PICARD: "I don't take it as a factual statement about 23rd century attitudes concerning women. 20th century, maybe--"

RIKER: "20th century? Those poor, primitive people. I'm surprised they managed to survive their own ignorance."

PICARD: "Yes, quite, Number One. Anyway, I take it as her attempting to rationalize her situation using whatever excuse she can find."
The sad/brilliant part is how easily I was able to hear each character's voice while I was reading this. Spot on.
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Old January 6 2013, 04:59 PM   #41
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Miramanee: "I thought you no longer had the dreams, that you no longer saw the strange lodge which moves through the sky."
Underrated and hilarious.
Not a dialogue line, but I was always amused that she couldn't figure out why his shirt had no lacing, apparently unfamiliar with stretch fabrics, then later she puts an elastic headband on him.
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Old January 7 2013, 12:10 AM   #42
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Jonas Grumby wrote: View Post
^ Not intending to demean the later series, but I do think TOS tended to more often demand more of the viewer in terms of thinking for themselves and "filling in the blanks," as it were, while the later series tended to spell everything out. I can imagine the same episode redone for TNG (with apologies to CoveTom for the stolen dialog ):

INT. CONFERENCE ROOM

WESLEY: "I don't understand Dr. Lester's last statement...about living as a woman being worse than death."

WORF: "Dr. Lester is batshit crazy."

BEVERLY: "She sees herself and her career as an utter failure."

DEANNA: "Rather than accepting responsibility for that, she blames it on some sort of inherent bias against women in Starfleet."


GEORDI: "She's looking for an excuse."

PICARD: "I don't take it as a factual statement about 23rd century attitudes concerning women. 20th century, maybe--"

RIKER: "20th century? Those poor, primitive people. I'm surprised they managed to survive their own ignorance."

PICARD: "Yes, quite, Number One. Anyway, I take it as her attempting to rationalize her situation using whatever excuse she can find."
The sad/brilliant part is how easily I was able to hear each character's voice while I was reading this. Spot on.
I agree. The only thing missing....

DATA: Lt., I fail to understand how the waste product of a flying earth mammal could be considered mentally unsound. Feces is not sentient and therefore should have no mental functions to be measured.
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Old January 7 2013, 12:56 AM   #43
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I know "The Alternative Factor" has been picked on a lot in this thread, but:

LAZARUS: He'll kill us all if we don't kill him first! Kill! Kill! Kill! Kill! Kill!
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Old January 7 2013, 04:18 AM   #44
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Jonas Grumby wrote: View Post
^ Not intending to demean the later series, but I do think TOS tended to more often demand more of the viewer in terms of thinking for themselves and "filling in the blanks," as it were, while the later series tended to spell everything out. I can imagine the same episode redone for TNG (with apologies to CoveTom for the stolen dialog ):

INT. CONFERENCE ROOM

WESLEY: "I don't understand Dr. Lester's last statement...about living as a woman being worse than death."

WORF: "Dr. Lester is batshit crazy."

BEVERLY: "She sees herself and her career as an utter failure."

DEANNA: "Rather than accepting responsibility for that, she blames it on some sort of inherent bias against women in Starfleet."


GEORDI: "She's looking for an excuse."

PICARD: "I don't take it as a factual statement about 23rd century attitudes concerning women. 20th century, maybe--"

RIKER: "20th century? Those poor, primitive people. I'm surprised they managed to survive their own ignorance."

PICARD: "Yes, quite, Number One. Anyway, I take it as her attempting to rationalize her situation using whatever excuse she can find."
Wesley: "So Starfleet DID allow women to be captains in Kirk's time?"

(Awkward silence)
TROI: "My great grandmother served as a First Officer in Starfleet. First Officers go on to be Captains. Present company excluded, Will."
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Old January 7 2013, 04:40 PM   #45
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Still don't get all the hate for this episode and Janice's sentiments in that. Janice is batshit crazy, and she sees herself and her career as an utter failure.
It doesn't work because Janice is human, so having her be batsh** crazy doesn't fit in with Gene Roddenberry's vision of a perfect, utopian future for humanity where all our problems have been solved. After all, this is one of many women who Kirk has bedded over the years, so there had to be 'something' appealing.

And how can she consider herself a failure when she finds an alien device that can cause two people to swap bodies? I'd think that would be a pretty significant find in any book.

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I don't take it as a factual statement about 23rd century attitudes concerning women.
And the evidence to back that up is.... no female captain in Star Trek until Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home almost two decades later. If gender is not an issue, why the gender swap? If Janice is so freaking crazy, why is that made a bigger issue than simply brushing off the sexism away as nothing?
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