My first voyage with Voyager

[R. Star]

Klingon nipples bite -you-

[Guy Gardener]

Well that's only fair.

If the nipples can't bite back, then the babies are just picking on the nipples.

[exodus]

teacake wrote:

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This is kinda how I imagined an intimate relationship would be between the two of them. Him working hard as Hell and her, already bored and fast asleep.

[teacake]

^I have it from a reliable source, AKA my brain that this is exactly how it would have gone down.

[Guy Gardener]

So?

Ugly girls try harder, but who wants an ugly girl?

[teacake]

Why are you calling Chak an ugly girl?? Sure his personality is.. somewhat lacking. But he is pleasant enough to look at.

[Guy Gardener]

Trying harder doesn't mean mean better.

[teacake]

Of course not. You get minus points.

[Ln X]

exodus wrote:

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This is kinda how I imagined an intimate relationship would be between the two of them. Him working hard as Hell and her, already bored and fast asleep.

I dunno know, Chakotay seemed to have a way of wooing women. Personally I think Janeway would have been all over him if they had been forever stuck on Resolutions (which they should have stretched into several episodes and over a longer period, because it was so engaging seeing C/J form).

[teacake]

Janeway programmed her holo-lover to be "more provocative". Chak is utterly lacking in this quality. He woos women because he's good looking, sweet, nice, amiable and genuinely likes strong females. But once wooed, twice bored.

[Melakon]

teacake wrote:

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But he is pleasant enough to look at.

Q: I was wondering, Kathy. What could anyone possibly see in this big oaf anyway? Is it the tattoo? Because MINE'S BIGGER!

[teacake]

Melakon wrote:

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Q: I was wondering, Kathy. What could anyone possibly see in this big oaf anyway? Is it the tattoo? Because MINE'S BIGGER!

Q's bigger bits are definitely a draw. His "how big do you want 'em" bits.

[Guy Gardener]

teacake wrote:

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Of course not. You get minus points.

What?

There are plus points?

I thought you just started at seven and worked your way back to zero, when she's ethically allowed to fake epilepsy to escape?

[exodus]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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So?

Ugly girls try harder, but who wants an ugly girl?

How many men in Hollywood dated Whoopi Goldberg?
Who's Porta De Rossi gf?
Who's did Danny Devito marry?
Somebody impregnated Macy Gray 3 times
Somebody knocked up Fantasia too.

[Guy Gardener]

1. the original line is simply "ugly girls try harder" which I think, but I'm not sure is a line from Twin Peaks (can't prove, but google tells me that this is something that Courtney Love has repeated, citing herself as a ugly girl who tries REALLY hard.), which is supposed to be an endorsement for ugly girls, or more so a criticism of very attractive girls who lay there and smoke a cigarette or read a book during the throws of full coitus.

2. It was a self deprecating comment on my part to tease the subject and seem to come off as a jerk if you answer the question "who wants an ugly girl" wrong, The argument has already presupposed that ugly girls are better so logically everyone wants an ugly girl because they try harder since who wants some who doesn't give a shit? Marsha Wallberg had a stand up routine where she claimed that Old guys last longer in bed than young guys, but who wants to have sex with an old guy for a really long time? See! It's her fault! I tacked her punchline on the end of some one else's joke and now you think I have original ideas! Ben Franklin said that men should marry old women because they're grateful. Do you want to pistol whip him as well?

**Sigh**

3. What is an ugly girl? No one is completely ugly on the inside or outside but it's nice to see that you made a list... Even if they're all famous, powerful, talented, influential, dynamic, interesting, and "wealthy" women which is a little more important than "looks" and since famous people or multimultimillionaires are judged on a completely different scale than regular peopel, it's further more not an accurate comparison.

As far as Whoopie goes, she was passing. She was passing for young. She had always been about 15 years older than I thought she was. So although she's not the most attractive young woman, for her actual age she's not that bad when we thought she was in her early 30s when it was actually her mid 40s... Besides it's small price to pay to be Eskimo Brothers with Patrick Stewart.