Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot? - Page 33

JoeZhang · January 5 2013, 10:29 PM

Just to go back to an earlier point about the films making Picard more like Kirk, from what I can remember from production details that was influenced by Patrick Steward who didn't want to just do more of the same (in regards to the TV show).

BillJ · January 5 2013, 10:33 PM

Dale Sams wrote:

BillJ wrote:

Dale Sams wrote:

I think Bond's 'jumping on point', is more of a fictional construct. What really changes? There's some lip service...they use the first story, but that's really about it. It's certainly not like Bond Begins or anything.

A movie doesn't have to be an origin story to provide people a jumping on point for a long-running franchise. It simply needs to strip the concept itself down to its basic components.

I would (and I'm sure Bond fans love to hear this) call it 3/4rths The Bond Identity and 1/4rth Dalton's Bond.

But I still love it. And absolutely adore Casino Royale. Just so there's no confusion.

I've seen both Quantum of Solace and Skyfall in the theaters but have never seen Casino Royale. But from what I've seen they did a good job of bringing Bond back to the basics when compared to the films of the post-Connery variety.

Dale Sams · January 5 2013, 10:34 PM

JoeZhang wrote:

Just to go back to an earlier point about the films making Picard more like Kirk, from what I can remember from production details that was influenced by Patrick Steward who didn't want to just do more of the same (in regards to the TV show).

Well..Kirk wasn't like Kirk either. They both appear to have made the acting choice of "being more comfortable as they get older."

BillJ · January 5 2013, 10:35 PM

JoeZhang wrote:

Just to go back to an earlier point about the films making Picard more like Kirk, from what I can remember from production details that was influenced by Patrick Steward who didn't want to just do more of the same (in regards to the TV show).

I think a Picard in command of the Stargazer would be a good spot to set a future TNG movie and would offer a clean slate for a set of movie created characters. But then you'd still have people bitching that it wasn't Star Trek.

BillJ · January 5 2013, 10:37 PM

Dale Sams wrote:

JoeZhang wrote:

Just to go back to an earlier point about the films making Picard more like Kirk, from what I can remember from production details that was influenced by Patrick Steward who didn't want to just do more of the same (in regards to the TV show).

Well..Kirk wasn't like Kirk either. They both appear to have made the acting choice of "being more comfortable as they get older."

Series or movies, Kirk still had brass balls. It is the one constant of the character. He's a big risk, big reward type of guy.

Admiral Buzzkill · January 6 2013, 12:28 AM

YARN wrote:

The prioritization is clear. The film is not made for Star Trek fans, but "movie fans," however, even though the film is not targeted at Star Trek fans, they should like it too.

The studio would be stupid to approach it in any other way, or to hire a director/producer who was determined to approach it in any other way.

Jackson_Roykirk · January 6 2013, 01:40 AM

UFO wrote:

I would have thought the "jumping on point" for any Bond movie is buying a ticket.

I agree with that.

I mean, what does the movie-goer need to know about Bond? Let me list the knowledge required to enjoy a Bond film:

1. He is a British secret agent.
2. That's about it.

Sure, there is a bigger Bond mythology if anyone really cares to delve deeply into it, but it certainly isn't required to understand/enjoy a Bond film.

Admiral Buzzkill · January 6 2013, 02:56 AM

Exactly so. They don't make Bond films for "Bond fans."

DalekJim · January 6 2013, 03:23 AM

Sindatur wrote:

You really need to let go of TNG expectations/comparisons when judging Abrams films, because they are TOS Era films, they are not supposed to be compared to TNG.

As stated in this thread, I only even like the TOS films so it's not like I'm against the idea of one. TOS and TNG are both two of my fave shows to watch.

I just see Star Trek as an evolving universe and part of the fun for me when watching TOS is to see the backstory of the Trek I grew up with. Making it a reboot rids it of that completely. I'm not invested in what's going in as it isn't really Trek.

Admiral Buzzkill · January 6 2013, 04:20 AM

It's really Star Trek.

BillJ · January 6 2013, 04:36 AM

My Name Is Legion wrote:

It's really Star Trek.

I knew it was really Star Trek when Spock beat the hell out of Kirk.

DalekJim · January 6 2013, 04:44 AM

It's got the Star Trek name on it but if given the choice I'd rather have Trek set in the same continuity as all the Non-ENT shows and movies. It's nice to fit things in to the overall universe.

Nerys Myk · January 6 2013, 04:55 AM

DalekJim wrote:

It's got the Star Trek name on it but if given the choice I'd rather have Trek set in the same continuity as all the Non-ENT shows and movies. It's nice to fit things in to the overall universe.

And the name was put there by the people who actually have the power to make choices for the franchise. So it's very much Star Trek.

Set Harth · January 6 2013, 06:32 AM

DalekJim wrote:

It's got the Star Trek name on it but if given the choice I'd rather have Trek set in the same continuity as all the Non-ENT shows and movies. It's nice to fit things in to the overall universe.

It is in the same continuity, just not in the same universe/timeline.
( In ST, where you can travel from one universe to another, that makes sense. )

Devon · January 6 2013, 07:10 AM

DalekJim wrote:

It's got the Star Trek name on it but if given the choice I'd rather have Trek set in the same continuity as all the Non-ENT shows and movies. It's nice to fit things in to the overall universe.

That is completely different than "It's not Star Trek" and wouldn't have sounded as silly had you said this in the first place.

January 5 2013, 10:29 PM	#481
JoeZhang Rear Admiral	Re: Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot? Just to go back to an earlier point about the films making Picard more like Kirk, from what I can remember from production details that was influenced by Patrick Steward who didn't want to just do more of the same (in regards to the TV show).

January 6 2013, 02:56 AM	#488
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot? Exactly so. They don't make Bond films for "Bond fans." __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.

January 6 2013, 04:20 AM	#490
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot? It's really Star Trek. __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.

January 6 2013, 04:44 AM	#492
DalekJim Fleet Captain Location: Great Britain	Re: Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot? It's got the Star Trek name on it but if given the choice I'd rather have Trek set in the same continuity as all the Non-ENT shows and movies. It's nice to fit things in to the overall universe. __________________ The Paradox Machine - My blog "Four things cannot be hidden - love, smoke, a pillar of fire and a man striding across the open bled." - Dune Messiah by Frank Herbert

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