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Old January 2 2013, 07:21 AM   #31
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Re: Who cleans up everyone's quarters after each space battle?

One thing to ponder: when the week's godlike alien kicks the Enterprise in the groin, and the bridge shakes enough to throw Lt. Leslie across the room and back twice, does the rest of the ship necessarily shake, too?

I mean, yeah, McCoy has his desks full of unsecured, fragile bottles and delicate instruments. But the ship also supposedly has an inertia-damping system. Just because we see the system fail to cope with shaking inside one room doesn't necessarily mean that every location shakes badly enough to create a mess. Perhaps the yeomen only have to clean up every third cabin or so?

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Old January 2 2013, 08:16 AM   #32
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Re: Who cleans up everyone's quarters after each space battle?

See I always wonder that.. but if you were going to have special rooms like sickbay in some kind of bubble of non shaking (like they are always upright even if the ship does a 360) wouldn't the bridge be one of those special rooms?
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Old January 2 2013, 08:16 AM   #33
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One thing to ponder: when the week's godlike alien kicks the Enterprise in the groin, and the bridge shakes enough to throw Lt. Leslie across the room and back twice, does the rest of the ship necessarily shake, too?
It's a design flaw in most Federation ships that the inertial dampening field doesn't extend very well to the bridge and the shipyards passed it off as an undocumented feature by explaining that it's a feedback mechanism so the bridge crew can tell when the ship is taking a beating better than a panel/display would tell them.



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Old January 2 2013, 09:25 AM   #34
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See I always wonder that.. but if you were going to have special rooms like sickbay in some kind of bubble of non shaking (like they are always upright even if the ship does a 360) wouldn't the bridge be one of those special rooms?
I was thinking more in terms of random overload. That is, every room is a "bubble of non shaking", but any room has equal odds of having the IDF system fail. Except that enemies so often like to target the bridge, giving it greater odds...

Also, depending on the deeper mysteries of IDF theory and practice, being on the outer hull might make a room more prone to shaking, and the deepest core of the saucer is the location least likely to shake.

The other possibility is that tabletops have their own built-in safety measures: extra gravitic pull, cheap localized damping fields, whatnot. Something that can hold on to a vase, a book or a beaker full of death, but won't cope with 160-pound Lieutenants.

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Old January 2 2013, 01:09 PM   #35
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Re: Who cleans up everyone's quarters after each space battle?

That's a good theory about the tables.

But all this shaking also gives some reason as to why people's quarters are so sparse. I have more stuff in my bedroom than you'd find in a whole deck of crew quarters I think. I'm always amazed at how little personal effects people have.
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Old January 2 2013, 01:28 PM   #36
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Re: Who cleans up everyone's quarters after each space battle?

I had thought about this a great deal in the past.

I've always worked under and expanded under the idea that many items have built in miniature gravity stabilizers or surfaces that help keep things on it.

There's two points that I've considered give us some helpful information that makes this possible. We know from "A Matter of Time" that devices on the future can be charged wirelessly and we know from DS9 that "gravity netting" is pretty readily available.

I've generally assumed that most items in the TNG era are capable of affixing on through the manipulation of gravity technology and can then intelligently and intuitively be moved.

Things that aren't too practical to have the technology built in, such as antiques or cups would be affixed by a sort of gravity netting build directly into the surface it sits on, such as tables.

I think applying this sort of explanation accounts for almost all such situations with still allowing for someone like Chakote to occasionally have a messy room (dishes and clothing sprawled around).
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Old January 2 2013, 04:23 PM   #37
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...Also, our heroes may have grown overtly reliant on gadgetry that holds things in place - explaining how things that should definitely be physically bolted down by today's common sense, such as the captain's chair, may in fact be almost knocked over when enough force is applied (and supposedly when enough power is simultaneously lost from the holding system).

There are probably plenty of scenes where people get thrown about yet objects such as PADDs sit in place, despite being easy to swipe down from a table in various other scenes. Difficult to explain otherwise, fairly consistent with the tabletop extra pull theory.

...Perhaps the tabletop field can be reversed, or turned peristaltic, for easy and quick dusting?

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Old January 2 2013, 05:45 PM   #38
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Re: Who cleans up everyone's quarters after each space battle?

In Up the Long Ladder Riker tells Brenna that the ship will clean itself. (Well, good for the bloody ship!) On the other hand, I think it's Data's girlfriend's quarters we see in In Theory that look like the ship doesn't clean itself. I reckon the crew cleans their own quarters after a kerfuffle, to be honest.
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Old January 2 2013, 09:24 PM   #39
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Finngle Bells wrote: View Post
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Obviously those systems can survive planetary crashes at full impulse

Wait a minute, why is the screen still on in that photo? Hasn't the Federation ever heard of a sleep mode?
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Old January 3 2013, 09:38 AM   #40
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Well, technically speaking, a sleep mode only makes sense if keeping the display on consumes power or "ages" the display element. Neither of these would need to be a feature for the classic Okudagram display. Quite possibly, only the altering of the image consumes power, so going to sleep would be a needless drain.

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Old January 5 2013, 06:10 AM   #41
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The ships have crew compliments in the hundreds or thousands, yet critical functions seem to be handled entirely by the half dozen or so people in the opening credits. I guess the rest of them have to do something to keep themselves busy when they're not getting killed on away missions.
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Old January 5 2013, 07:37 AM   #42
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The messes are cleaned up by the same people who stuff the consoles full of rocks before the battle...

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Old January 5 2013, 07:51 AM   #43
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I've always thought that transporter technology could be used for a heck of a lot more than just beaming people to and from the surfaces of planets. Imagine how they could be used in surgery or construction.
I always thought this too.

In fact, instead of toilets I could just imagine you step into a booth and all waste is beamed out of you.
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Old January 5 2013, 10:20 AM   #44
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Kinda brings up a different meaning to 'matter stream'.
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Old January 5 2013, 01:20 PM   #45
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I had this discussion with friends back in high school, so we're talking maybe 1986.

I remember we all concluded that after many thousands of years of this that human beings might evolve to the point where anuses start to seal up.

We were REALLY into Star Trek back then!
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