Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread - Page 126

davejames · January 3 2013, 06:34 PM

trekker670 wrote:

Wow, who let the shot of Data beaming out at the end of "Pen Pals" through? I've personally done better chromakeying with a handheld camera and some consumer grade software. Data is out of focus and colored incorrectly, the matte is poorly done and fuzzy, and it just looks completely terrible...

The strange part is I thought they handled the earlier shots with the doorway really well. The animated door and Data's shadow were much more convincing than in the original version.

But then for the last beam-out shot it suddenly looks like crap again.

TheSeeker wrote:

I have to say that one of the biggest standouts for me has also been the brilliant colour correction on the Blu-Rays.

I have tried several times over the years to re-watch TNG and every time I just couldn't get past the poor picture quality. The poor colour was definitely a big part of the reason I couldn't re-watch TNG.

Yeah, the color just looked ugly as hell on the old DVDs, especially in the first couple seasons. It either had that weird pinkish hue, or it was completely drab and dull looking.

trekker670 · January 3 2013, 06:36 PM

davejames wrote:

trekker670 wrote:

Wow, who let the shot of Data beaming out at the end of "Pen Pals" through? I've personally done better chromakeying with a handheld camera and some consumer grade software. Data is out of focus and colored incorrectly, the matte is poorly done and fuzzy, and it just looks completely terrible...

The strange part is I thought they handled the earlier shots with the doorway really well. The animated door and Data's shadow were much more convincing than in the original version.

But then for the last beam-out shot it suddenly looks like crap again.

Agreed.

davejames · January 5 2013, 01:23 AM

Yikes, the Klingon ship at the end of "Emissary" looked freakin awful, and nowhere near as good as it did in Heart of Glory.

Most painful was the shot of both ships together, where the Enterprise was sharp and clear, and the Klingon ship looked like a blurry, upscaled mess that was copied over from an old VHS tape.

I mean, seriously? How the hell did THAT ever get approved by anybody?

NewHorizon · January 5 2013, 12:52 PM

It's a shame Season 2 had to turn out to be such a mess. Seriously, who dropped the ball on this one? Was CBS-D not watching or giving guidance at all?

KarmicCurse · January 5 2013, 01:16 PM

Edited due to posting in wrong thread - sorry.

MickJo1701 · January 5 2013, 05:20 PM

NewHorizon wrote:

It's a shame Season 2 had to turn out to be such a mess. Seriously, who dropped the ball on this one? Was CBS-D not watching or giving guidance at all?

In the CBS D interview on TrekCore its said that besides sharing some elements they acted independently of each other. Hopefully CBS D and the FX house responsible for reassembling Season 4 are working closely so that it doesn't happen again.

NewHorizon · January 5 2013, 07:18 PM

MickJo1701 wrote:

NewHorizon wrote:

It's a shame Season 2 had to turn out to be such a mess. Seriously, who dropped the ball on this one? Was CBS-D not watching or giving guidance at all?

In the CBS D interview on TrekCore its said that besides sharing some elements they acted independently of each other. Hopefully CBS D and the FX house responsible for reassembling Season 4 are working closely so that it doesn't happen again.

Yup, HTV should have been an extension of CBS-D not a completely independent entity. CBS set themselves up for the fall on that one, with no consistency control and HTV clearly deciding to take a rather different approach, it was domed to fail.

Doug Otte · January 6 2013, 05:48 PM

trekker670 wrote:

Jeyl wrote:

Anyone bump into any Standard Definition moments in Season 2 yet? I think I've stumbled across some in the Samaritan Snare when Troi enters the bridge to warn the crew, and some of the view screen's footage of the Pakleds.

Someone mentioned the test-screen images in Schizoid Man, and it is quite blurry, but we haven't had anything confirmed yet.

I watched Schizoid the other night, and it definitely looked SD to me. I think instead of re-editing and compositing all the original shots (some of them might be unavailable, like the shots from the movies), they just composited the original SD insert.

tomswift2002 · January 6 2013, 08:46 PM

trekker670 wrote:

Wow, who let the shot of Data beaming out at the end of "Pen Pals" through? I've personally done better chromakeying with a handheld camera and some consumer grade software. Data is out of focus and colored incorrectly, the matte is poorly done and fuzzy, and it just looks completely terrible...

That's just like the shot I mentioned from "Q Who?" That looked like it came from a standard def VHS.

NewHorizon · January 6 2013, 10:34 PM

Doug Otte wrote:

trekker670 wrote:

Jeyl wrote:

Anyone bump into any Standard Definition moments in Season 2 yet? I think I've stumbled across some in the Samaritan Snare when Troi enters the bridge to warn the crew, and some of the view screen's footage of the Pakleds.

Someone mentioned the test-screen images in Schizoid Man, and it is quite blurry, but we haven't had anything confirmed yet.

I watched Schizoid the other night, and it definitely looked SD to me. I think instead of re-editing and compositing all the original shots (some of them might be unavailable, like the shots from the movies), they just composited the original SD insert.

Didn't CBS-D say that they have so far been able to find everything? I think HTV just screwed stuff up.

Maxwell Everett · January 6 2013, 11:47 PM

Doug Otte wrote:

trekker670 wrote:

Jeyl wrote:

Anyone bump into any Standard Definition moments in Season 2 yet? I think I've stumbled across some in the Samaritan Snare when Troi enters the bridge to warn the crew, and some of the view screen's footage of the Pakleds.

Someone mentioned the test-screen images in Schizoid Man, and it is quite blurry, but we haven't had anything confirmed yet.

I watched Schizoid the other night, and it definitely looked SD to me. I think instead of re-editing and compositing all the original shots (some of them might be unavailable, like the shots from the movies), they just composited the original SD insert.

The shot in "Samaritan Snare" when Troi enters the bridge is not SD, it's HD... but it's another anamorphically lensed shot that was filmed in the 2.39:1 aspect ratio and then pan & scanned in post to transform it into a moving shot. As we know, even CBS-Digital couldn't make those look good in season one because they didn't scan those particular elements in 4K first before they zoomed in on them and panned across them.

The test-screen images in "The Schizoid Man" on the other hand are, in fact, upconverted SD... just like Geordi's VISOR shots in "Heart of Glory" where CBS-Digital just decided to upconvert the shots and composite them into the HD element of the viewscreen, rather than recreate the effect. HTV-Illuminate obviously decided to do the same thing in "The Schizoid Man."

CBS-Digital left one fleeting shot of John de Lancie in SD during Riker's orientation on the battle bridge in "Encounter at Farpoint" -- it's when de Lancie says, "Go Back, or thou shall most certainly die."

davejames · January 7 2013, 05:16 AM

^ I don't really have a problem with those. I wouldn't expect CBS or anyone else to piece all those video images back together. And they fly by so damn fast anyway.

Start Wreck · January 7 2013, 10:43 AM

The Enterprise bridge obviously uses standard definition screens.

trekker670 · January 7 2013, 04:04 PM

Start Wreck wrote:

The Enterprise bridge obviously uses standard definition screens.

I think it's more likely that the sensors that provide the HD content were malfunctioning due to subspace interference or damage from an alien attack in some portions of some episodes, since the viewscreen content is more frequently HD

picard_2305 · January 7 2013, 06:05 PM

I have enjoyed Season 2 of TNG R a lot. I still think it is definitive version of the show.

The effects weren't as good as CBS D but they were not terrible. The one effect I cringed at is one that I did not notice the first time I watched it and if I dont focus on it I can miss it. THe crop error of Enterprise at end of Schizoid Man.

Do you think CBS will correct this error? I can live with this error but I hope no more errors or HTV for later seasons crops up.

January 5 2013, 01:23 AM	#1878
davejames Vice Admiral Location: Sac, Ca	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread Yikes, the Klingon ship at the end of "Emissary" looked freakin awful, and nowhere near as good as it did in Heart of Glory. Most painful was the shot of both ships together, where the Enterprise was sharp and clear, and the Klingon ship looked like a blurry, upscaled mess that was copied over from an old VHS tape. I mean, seriously? How the hell did THAT ever get approved by anybody?

January 5 2013, 12:52 PM	#1879
NewHorizon Commander	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread It's a shame Season 2 had to turn out to be such a mess. Seriously, who dropped the ball on this one? Was CBS-D not watching or giving guidance at all?

January 5 2013, 01:16 PM	#1880
KarmicCurse Lieutenant Location: Detroit	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread Edited due to posting in wrong thread - sorry.

January 7 2013, 05:16 AM	#1887
davejames Vice Admiral Location: Sac, Ca	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread ^ I don't really have a problem with those. I wouldn't expect CBS or anyone else to piece all those video images back together. And they fly by so damn fast anyway.

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January 7 2013, 06:05 PM	#1890
picard_2305 Lieutenant Junior Grade Location: Newtownabbey, Northern Ireland	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread I have enjoyed Season 2 of TNG R a lot. I still think it is definitive version of the show. The effects weren't as good as CBS D but they were not terrible. The one effect I cringed at is one that I did not notice the first time I watched it and if I dont focus on it I can miss it. THe crop error of Enterprise at end of Schizoid Man. Do you think CBS will correct this error? I can live with this error but I hope no more errors or HTV for later seasons crops up.