Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot?

[DalekJim]

Well, it's more in line with my own personal taste of what constitutes great science-fiction than the direction Abrams is taking things with Into Darkness.

They've even found a way of getting the characters out of uniform. No doubt because the TOS uniforms are seen as too nerdy and they wanna aim for that wider audience . Honestly, it feels like this film is doing just about anything possible to distance itself from resembling Star Trek.

Which has, if I am to believe people in this thread, been entirely terrible since TNG because the following shows got low ratings. Even though TOS got cancelled because of it's shit ratings faster than ENT did. Even though TOS only became the popular phenomena it is because of the dedicated geek fanbase we're now supposed to pretend don't matter just to tow the studio line.

Yeah, apparently our opinions matter less than some popcorn guzzling casual that can maybe vaguely remember "Dr. Spock" dying in Wrath of Khan because there's less of us. Brilliant.

[Nerys Myk]

DalekJim wrote:

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Well, it's more in line with my own personal taste of what constitutes great science-fiction than the direction Abrams is taking things with Into Darkness.

They've even found a way of getting the characters out of uniform. No doubt because the TOS uniforms are seen as too nerdy and they wanna aim for that wider audience . Honestly, it feels like this film is doing just about anything possible to distance itself from resembling Star Trek.

Which has, if I am to believe people in this thread, been entirely terrible since TNG because the following shows got low ratings. Even though TOS got cancelled because of it's shit ratings faster than ENT did. Even though TOS only became the popular phenomena it is because of the dedicated geek fanbase we're now supposed to pretend don't matter just to tow the studio line.

Yeah, apparently our opinions matter less than some popcorn guzzling casual that can maybe vaguely remember "Dr. Spock" dying in Wrath of Khan because there's less of us. Brilliant.

Roddenberry was more that happy to drop the TOS uniforms in TMP. OTOH, the Abrams team actually brought them back and are using them in the film. Not for every scene but they are there, just as they were in ST09. Showing a variety of uniforms and costumes isn't a bad thing. TOS had several variations and we saw the crew out of uniform from time to time. The movies did the same thing. You're trying way to hard to find things to complain about.

As I and others have said before, Star Trek is a lot of things and the previous film and this one has used several of those things. I can't speak for others in this thread, but I'm a fan of most of Star Trek. TOS and DS9 are my favorite TV incarnations, while TWOK, TVH and ST09 are my favorite films. People aren't saying Trek was terrible, just that the rating started sliding after TNG. That's a fact. It's not a reflection on what ever quality those incarnations of Star Trek may have, but of diminishing popularity.

TOS became popular because people liked it, not because of some geek minority. The movies also became popular because a wide variety of people went to see them, not just a geek minority. TNG became popular because a wide variety of people watched it. You need to understand this and acceptrd it. New Star Trek will only be produced if it is successful with a wide variety of people. So no, our opinions do not matter. And just because you like certain aspects of Star Trek ( real or imagined) it doesn't make you more intelligent, culturally superior or sophisticated than someone who has a different opinion or is a "casual".

[Kevin W.]

DalekJim wrote:

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Well, it's more in line with my own personal taste of what constitutes great science-fiction than the direction Abrams is taking things with Into Darkness.

They've even found a way of getting the characters out of uniform. No doubt because the TOS uniforms are seen as too nerdy and they wanna aim for that wider audience . Honestly, it feels like this film is doing just about anything possible to distance itself from resembling Star Trek.

Which has, if I am to believe people in this thread, been entirely terrible since TNG because the following shows got low ratings. Even though TOS got cancelled because of it's shit ratings faster than ENT did. Even though TOS only became the popular phenomena it is because of the dedicated geek fanbase we're now supposed to pretend don't matter just to tow the studio line.

Yeah, apparently our opinions matter less than some popcorn guzzling casual that can maybe vaguely remember "Dr. Spock" dying in Wrath of Khan because there's less of us. Brilliant.

Well said, especially considering the stated desire of the staff to distance themselves from the previous productions with regards to the title.

[Nerys Myk]

Kevin W. wrote:

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Well said, especially considering the stated desire of the staff to distance themselves from the previous productions with regards to the title.

What?

[Kevin W.]

Nerys Myk wrote:

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What?

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/168...omic-con.jhtml

With numbers off the table, there's always the trusty colon, but Lindelof said they want to steer away from that trend. "There's no word that comes after the colon after 'Star Trek' that's cool," he said. "Not that 'Star Trek: Insurrection' or 'First Contact' aren't good titles, it's just that everything that people are turned off about when it comes to 'Trek' is represented by the colon."

It's an absolutely absurd argument but it's par for the course for Abrams, Lindelof and Co.

[Nerys Myk]

Sorry, we hashed out the colon controversy months ago. Whats absurd, is taking everything that comes out of there mouths as deadly serious.

[Kevin W.]

Sorry for feeling offended when the producers of the film see me as the type of person who should be looked down upon.

[Devon]

Kevin W. wrote:

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Sorry for feeling offended when the producers of the film see me as the type of person who should be looked down upon.

Which they have not done. They do not know you, nor have they mentioned "Kevin W." in interviews.

[Kevin W.]

Obviously I wasn't talking about myself specifically. Don't be ridiculous.

[King Daniel Into Darkness]

Kevin W. wrote:

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http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/168...omic-con.jhtml

It's an absolutely absurd argument but it's par for the course for Abrams, Lindelof and Co.

He's right. One of the film's considered titles (and the one they're using in Russia) is Star Trek: Vengeance which sounds like just another Trek sequel. Star Trek Into Darkness sounds like they're doing something a little different.

DalekJim wrote:

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They've even found a way of getting the characters out of uniform. No doubt because the TOS uniforms are seen as too nerdy and they wanna aim for that wider audience .
Honestly, it feels like this film is doing just about anything possible to distance itself from resembling Star Trek.

Remember the poster for Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, which had "THE VOYAGE HOME" in huge letters with a tiny "star trek iv" underneath it, AND Kirk and Spock in civvies? Clearly they were ashamed of Star Trek as well!

[Sindatur]

DalekJim wrote:

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Well, it's more in line with my own personal taste of what constitutes great science-fiction than the direction Abrams is taking things with Into Darkness.

They've even found a way of getting the characters out of uniform. No doubt because the TOS uniforms are seen as too nerdy and they wanna aim for that wider audience . Honestly, it feels like this film is doing just about anything possible to distance itself from resembling Star Trek.

Which has, if I am to believe people in this thread, been entirely terrible since TNG because the following shows got low ratings. Even though TOS got cancelled because of it's shit ratings faster than ENT did. Even though TOS only became the popular phenomena it is because of the dedicated geek fanbase we're now supposed to pretend don't matter just to tow the studio line.

Yeah, apparently our opinions matter less than some popcorn guzzling casual that can maybe vaguely remember "Dr. Spock" dying in Wrath of Khan because there's less of us. Brilliant.

You really need to let go of TNG expectations/comparisons when judging Abrams films, because they are TOS Era films, they are not supposed to be compared to TNG. If you prefer TNG to TOS, that's understandable, it's your era, but, expecting Abrams films to conform to TNG era is a very strange decision indeed.

[Shazam!]

King Daniel wrote:

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Star Trek Into Darkness sounds like they're doing something a little different.

I've always disliked any of the Star Trek: titles (I much prefer the serial 'The..' titles) but Star Trek Into Darkness sounds like a Broadway show.

Plus, it has Star Trekin' in it.

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Shazam! wrote:

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I've always disliked any of the Star Trek: titles (I much prefer the serial 'The..' titles) but Star Trek Into Darkness sounds like a Broadway show.

Plus, it has Star Trekin' in it.

Well, I suppose a Broadway show could be made out of "Star Trekkin' Across the Universe" -- and it could even feature Beatles songs (e.g., "Across the Universe")

"Star Trekkin' to Darkness" would be the obvious Broadway Sequel, and could feature Spider Man.

[Nerys Myk]

Kevin W. wrote:

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Obviously I wasn't talking about myself specifically. Don't be ridiculous.

How are they "looking down on you"? Because they aren't tailoring the film to fit a very narrow demographic of Star Trek fans who have historically been shown to be unable to support a successful film or series. You guys are the ones who show constant disdain for any one who deviates from your narrow definition of "Star Trek" and used pejorative language to describe them.

[Hartzilla2007]

Greg Cox wrote:

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That's my own unscientific impression as well: that a good number (most?) of the fans who have issues with the movie are of the TNG generation, as opposed to us old-school TOS types. And, yes, I've grumbled in the past about people applying "TNG standards" to a movie based on TOS.

Meh, I'm 24 and while I like TNG, I like TOS more so I liked the new movie.