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Old January 5 2013, 02:43 AM   #151
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Abrams vision of the future is far more realistic than to a lesser degree Roddenberry's TNG was and/or Bermans.
If I made a film in which a little kid stole a horse and cart whilst playing Mozart on a gramophone strapped to its side would my film be realistic if it were set today?
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Old January 5 2013, 02:47 AM   #152
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As far as "product placement" goes, "2001: A Space Odyssey" is hardly ruined by Pan Am, Bell Telephone, and Howard Johnson not even making it to 2001. Just roll with it.
Ordering a budweiser classic I can roll with, but the Beastie Boys and Nokia in the span of seconds? Come on, I want to escape this loud and commercialized world of ours.
So it would have been better if the phone was a "Chronowerx" and the song was the "1812 Overture"?
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Old January 5 2013, 02:51 AM   #153
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Abrams vision of the future is far more realistic than to a lesser degree Roddenberry's TNG was and/or Bermans.
If I made a film in which a little kid stole a horse and cart whilst playing Mozart on a gramophone strapped to its side would my film be realistic if it were set today?
How common it is to find antique gramophones strapped to a horse and cart as opposed to a car with a cellphone? One is a probable relic from a previous century, the other is creating an absurd scenario in a weak attempt to make a point.
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Old January 5 2013, 02:58 AM   #154
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One is a probable relic from a previous century, the other is creating an absurd scenario in a weak attempt to make a point.
Which is which?
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Old January 5 2013, 03:01 AM   #155
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One is a probable relic from a previous century, the other is creating an absurd scenario in a weak attempt to make a point.
Which is which?
You're a bright lad. Figure it out.
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Old January 5 2013, 07:07 AM   #156
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... the Utopian society that was often touted on TNG seemed to rely on people doing not much more devoting their lives to bettering themselves and expanding their horizons all for the sake of creating a better society. I find it hard to believe that there would not be a certain percentage who, frankly, don't really want to expand their horizons and don't really care about working at making the world a better place (maybe some of them would want the world to be a better place, but they may not necessarily want to work hard at making it that way).
Bloody free-loaders!

Again, I'm being more nitpicky more than anything, and I have no real problem with TNG's depiction of the future, considering it is only a fictional TV show. However, I think a more realistic version of the future would include people with basically the same motivations (and the same personal foibles) as we have in our society today.
Well I agree with Greg that perfection is probably unobtainable, but I see significant room to move the bell curve in that direction. Moreover if the means of production becomes increasingly automated we will have to face these sort of problems, possible well within the next 300 years.

I DO think future society as a whole will be better -- at least I think it will be more inclusive and tolerant, considering we have generally headed in that direction over the past several centuries. However, I think there will still be a certain percentage of people who will buck societal norms. TNG seems to want us to think that part of Earth society does not exist, and I just find that hard to believe.
I suppose they could sell them to the Orions? No, I guess not. I don't know if it will be necessary for everyone to better the human race. Just so long as that's in the policy mix so to speak. I will try to look out for those issues next time I watch TNG.

Again, I look back 200 years and see humans acting much in the same way we act today -- in the "basic human nature" sense. I think people in the future will also (basically) act much like we act today. Frankly, some of the depictions of TNG's future seem so unfamiliar in a human sense that their world sometimes seems creepy to me -- something like out of the Stepford Wives.
Well, as I said, a lot of changes have happened over that period and while our minds might be the last frontier (or one of them) I don't think the past will be a guide to the future in that area. But as you imply, its a moral mindfield.
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Old January 6 2013, 02:57 AM   #157
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Well its true that humans need some sort of motivation in their lives (that's the nature of the universe we live in) but some people already find that in the feeling of "a job well done" etc. Perhaps our descendants have found ways of encouraging or directing most of us towards that form of impetus.
Here's a 21st Century example of human hypocrisy/selfishness and greed. Al Gore, Mr. "save the environment," owned a 5,000 square foot home whilst telling the rest of us to watch our carbon footprints - rode on private jets and in limos while telling the rest of us to drive hybrids - and just last week sold Clear Channel to Al Jazeera to avoid the tax consequences of higher taxes on rich folks.

I don't believe humans have - will - or ever will change our general nature because of new gadgets.
Do you have some kind of grudge against Al Gore? Because you've been griping about him in one way or another around here since 2009.
Whether DarthTom does or doesn't is beside the point. Unless a present-day political topic has got some actual relevance to a story point in the movie or to Star Trek generally as it relates to a movie story point under discussion, he can carry it (grudge or no grudge) right out of this forum to somewhere appropriate to topics about Al Gore, Al Jazeera, etc. (i.e., Misc. or TNZ.)
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