What is your favorite series and why? - Page 5

Darkwing · January 3 2013, 07:45 PM

I grew up on The Only Series.
Trek's New Guise was good in a lot of ways, but I hated the perfect humans and early "surrender-monkey" Picard.
DS9 was better, and got more so the more it ripped off B5.
VOY had some good ideas, but was too uneven in execution.
Early Nu Trek just didn't work for me.
JJ Trek had excellent dialogue and characterization, and some awesome ideas - loved Sulu's sword! - but the plot made no sense whatsoever, and had too much slapstick.

toughlittleship · January 3 2013, 07:57 PM

^ There is no way Michael Piller ripped off B5. Read The Making of Deep Space Nine from Pocket Books.

Melakon · January 3 2013, 08:13 PM

I got hooked during Star Trek's first run NBC broadcasts, so it's my overall favorite, though I'm receptive to all the subsequent tv/film spinoffs. Though every incarnation has individual things I like and dislike.

One on-set thing I disliked was the development of a single helm position on the bridge, that I think first appeared on the USS Defiant. I missed the navigator position, even though it was a cost-saving move, because they didn't have to pay an N.D. Extra to sit punching buttons while a regular character had all the dialogue. It made sense to me for the Defiant due to its size, but then it carried into Voyager's bridge too. But when NX Enterprise, set 200 years earlier, had the same single pilot console, I was disappointed. I thought it should have foreshadowed NCC-1701's helm/nav design.

R. Star · January 3 2013, 08:15 PM

DS9 actually debuted a full month before B5... if you count that pilot movie that aired a full year before a full season anyways... So it would seem much more likely B5 ripped off DS9 than the reverse.... though forbid the likelihood of two separate entities come up with a similar concept.

teacake · January 3 2013, 11:39 PM

I've never understood the ripped off accusations. So they are both set on a space station and they both have war arcs and religious themes. And?

BillJ · January 4 2013, 12:03 AM

R. Star wrote:

Let's see... Fair Haven, Spirit Folk, the Killing Game, Bride of Chaotica, Worst Case Scenario, Real Life, Heroes and Demons, the Thaw and so on.

The Thaw wasn't a holodeck episode.

R. Star · January 4 2013, 01:46 AM

BillJ wrote:

R. Star wrote:

Let's see... Fair Haven, Spirit Folk, the Killing Game, Bride of Chaotica, Worst Case Scenario, Real Life, Heroes and Demons, the Thaw and so on.

The Thaw wasn't a holodeck episode.

Oh sorry, they were just all in a mind link virtual reality that broke and almost killed them... close enough.

Darkwing · January 4 2013, 02:31 AM

Whoa! Chill, folks! I don't care if you're hardcore Niners or casual Fivers. I saw it that way, and I stand by my statement that the more DS9 copied JMS' style, the better they got. TNG avoided arcs, B5 built them, DS9 partially embraced them.

If that offends you, tough. Don't spazz just because I don't buy the apologia.

Now, can we get back to which Trek is people's favorite, and why? Although I do notice Galaxy Quest is missing from the list...

R. Star · January 4 2013, 03:06 AM

Why do people always assume others are "spazzing out" when we're just talking about a subject with varied opinions?

teacake · January 4 2013, 03:41 AM

When I really spazz out you will know about it.

R. Star · January 4 2013, 03:46 AM

teacake wrote:

When I really spazz out you will know about it.

Should I be intrigued or fearful of seeing this?

teacake · January 4 2013, 03:52 AM

You'll have to travel 10 years back in time to my heyday of spazzing out on the internet.

Good times.

R. Star · January 4 2013, 03:54 AM

teacake wrote:

You'll have to travel 10 years back in time to my heyday of spazzing out on the internet.

Good times.

Well this is Star Trek, I'm more likely to end up traveling back in time than to make it wherever I'm going

AdmiralScreed · January 4 2013, 04:53 AM

1. DS9
2. TNG (in a close second)

3. All the rest.......can't say I'm a big fan of any of the other shows.

JirinPanthosa · January 4 2013, 05:03 AM

Right, no way two people could ever have similar ideas at the same time.

I think Ron Moore and JMS are just big nerds who always wanted their scifi to be more serialized.

Even in episodes that didn't take place on the holodeck, the Voyager crew seemed to spend every waking moment on the holodeck. I'd say TNG and Voyager are equally guilty in that regard.

View Poll Results: What is your favorite all time series? and why?
Star Trek : The Original Series TOS	30	34.48%
Star Trek : The Next generation TNG	20	22.99%
Star Trek : Deep Space Nine DS9	36	41.38%
Star Trek : Voyager VOY	5	5.75%
Star Trek Enterprise Ent	6	6.90%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 87. You may not vote on this poll

January 3 2013, 07:45 PM	#61
Darkwing Commodore Location: This dry land thing is too wierd!	Re: What is your favorite series and why? I grew up on The Only Series. Trek's New Guise was good in a lot of ways, but I hated the perfect humans and early "surrender-monkey" Picard. DS9 was better, and got more so the more it ripped off B5. VOY had some good ideas, but was too uneven in execution. Early Nu Trek just didn't work for me. JJ Trek had excellent dialogue and characterization, and some awesome ideas - loved Sulu's sword! - but the plot made no sense whatsoever, and had too much slapstick. __________________ If you don’t drink the kool-aid, you’re a baaad person - Rev Jim Jones Almond kool-aid, anyone? Or do you prefer pudding?- Darkwing http://deadreckoning-darkwing.blogspot.com/

January 3 2013, 07:57 PM	#62
toughlittleship Fleet Captain Location: United Kingdom	Re: What is your favorite series and why? ^ There is no way Michael Piller ripped off B5. Read The Making of Deep Space Nine from Pocket Books.

January 3 2013, 08:13 PM	#63
Melakon Commodore Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos	Re: What is your favorite series and why? I got hooked during Star Trek's first run NBC broadcasts, so it's my overall favorite, though I'm receptive to all the subsequent tv/film spinoffs. Though every incarnation has individual things I like and dislike. One on-set thing I disliked was the development of a single helm position on the bridge, that I think first appeared on the USS Defiant. I missed the navigator position, even though it was a cost-saving move, because they didn't have to pay an N.D. Extra to sit punching buttons while a regular character had all the dialogue. It made sense to me for the Defiant due to its size, but then it carried into Voyager's bridge too. But when NX Enterprise, set 200 years earlier, had the same single pilot console, I was disappointed. I thought it should have foreshadowed NCC-1701's helm/nav design. __________________ "Every time you think, you weaken the nation." --Moe Howard

January 3 2013, 08:15 PM	#64
R. Star Commodore Location: Terra 3	Re: What is your favorite series and why? DS9 actually debuted a full month before B5... if you count that pilot movie that aired a full year before a full season anyways... So it would seem much more likely B5 ripped off DS9 than the reverse.... though forbid the likelihood of two separate entities come up with a similar concept. __________________ "I was never a Star Trek fan." J.J. Abrams

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January 3 2013, 11:39 PM	#65
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: What is your favorite series and why? I've never understood the ripped off accusations. So they are both set on a space station and they both have war arcs and religious themes. And? __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

January 4 2013, 02:31 AM	#68
Darkwing Commodore Location: This dry land thing is too wierd!	Re: What is your favorite series and why? Whoa! Chill, folks! I don't care if you're hardcore Niners or casual Fivers. I saw it that way, and I stand by my statement that the more DS9 copied JMS' style, the better they got. TNG avoided arcs, B5 built them, DS9 partially embraced them. If that offends you, tough. Don't spazz just because I don't buy the apologia. Now, can we get back to which Trek is people's favorite, and why? Although I do notice Galaxy Quest is missing from the list... __________________ If you don’t drink the kool-aid, you’re a baaad person - Rev Jim Jones Almond kool-aid, anyone? Or do you prefer pudding?- Darkwing http://deadreckoning-darkwing.blogspot.com/

January 4 2013, 03:06 AM	#69
R. Star Commodore Location: Terra 3	Re: What is your favorite series and why? Why do people always assume others are "spazzing out" when we're just talking about a subject with varied opinions? __________________ "I was never a Star Trek fan." J.J. Abrams

January 4 2013, 03:41 AM	#70
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: What is your favorite series and why? When I really spazz out you will know about it. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

January 4 2013, 03:52 AM	#72
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: What is your favorite series and why? You'll have to travel 10 years back in time to my heyday of spazzing out on the internet. Good times. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

January 4 2013, 04:53 AM	#74
AdmiralScreed Captain Location: Minnesota	Re: What is your favorite series and why? 1. DS9 2. TNG (in a close second) 3. All the rest.......can't say I'm a big fan of any of the other shows. __________________ Picard > Kirk

January 4 2013, 05:03 AM	#75
JirinPanthosa Captain	Re: What is your favorite series and why? Right, no way two people could ever have similar ideas at the same time. I think Ron Moore and JMS are just big nerds who always wanted their scifi to be more serialized. Even in episodes that didn't take place on the holodeck, the Voyager crew seemed to spend every waking moment on the holodeck. I'd say TNG and Voyager are equally guilty in that regard.