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Old December 28 2012, 08:28 PM   #76
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Re: Anyone familiar with the BBC version of Sherlock Holmes? (spoiler

I tended to associate Lucy Liu with Quentin Tarantino movies, which is not a positive thing. I had negative expectations for Elementary, thinking the female Watson was intended for Unresolved Sexual Tension, a trap they've completely evaded thus far. I had positive expectations for Sherlock because I associated Steven Moffat with Dr. Who, which is too fantasy/nostalgia oriented to be consistently appealing for me, but has many good things in its writing.

But there is one kind of expectation that it seems to me is inescapable in approaching a Holmes adaptation, which is expcting Holmes to be the protagonist. Sherlock's Holmes is a self-avowed sociopath, while Elementary's Holmes is flawed. One makes some people horny while the other's weakness is unattractive. Obviously tastes will differ but not finding the difference to be important is in a sense the same as claiming that taste is completely irrelevant. Our duty apparently is to just buy what the writers write? This is especially true because Sherlock and Elementary really are in very many ways not just alternatives but opposites.
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Old January 1 2013, 03:08 AM   #77
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If you're interested in checking out another British mystery/police drama then give Luther a go. It stars Idris Elba who was in The Wire, and along with Sherlock is one of crime/mystery shows I watch. It can be very dark. So far there have been 2 series with 6 episodes in the first series and 4 in the second. A third series of 4 episodes are due in the new year sometime.
The Wire is one of the finest things to ever come out of American tv, and I really enjoyed the first season of Luther, I didn't care for the 2nd that much, though.
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Old January 1 2013, 05:53 AM   #78
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I watched one and a half episodes of The Wire and I was wishing I had taken up knitting to get through that much. Yes I seem to be missing something.
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Old January 1 2013, 07:18 AM   #79
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They don't get the wire/the bug/listening device installed in the drug dealers hut until the final episode of season one.

You begin to enjoy how the PoPo can't get anything done because the system is broken.
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Old January 1 2013, 12:50 PM   #80
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Luther.....got it. Idris Elba impressed in The Wire. That's an easy choice. Well, I watched the end of Jekyll.





Love it that Sherlock is making so many "best of" television lists for 2012 since it aired on PBS's Masterpiece. It deserves it. I'm now leaning towards John punching Sherlock in the face when the latter finally reveals his living status. As in why didn't you at least reveal it to me that you're alive once the shooters backed off if not to the public at large? John's put up with a great deal and emotions are a funny thing. You're afraid your child is lying dead in a ditch if she's out all night and then threaten to kill her when you find out she didn't think to call--that sort of reaction. I wonder how mad he'll be and if it will sustain into episode 2. It might be interesting if it did.
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Old January 2 2013, 12:05 AM   #81
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Old January 2 2013, 08:39 AM   #82
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One of these days I need to get around to watching Sherlock. I'm a huge fan of Moffat's Doctor Who (well, Who in general, but the 11/Ponds era is stellar). Plus, you know, it's gotten such rave reviews from everywhere.

But there's always this nagging "No, you should be focusing on Doctor Who!" ....as if creative types can't do multiple things (and as if I didn't enjoy both Buffy and Angel albeit late to the party). Maybe it's because there's relatively so few episodes of British shows anyway compared to what I'm used to with US shows.
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Old January 2 2013, 10:50 PM   #83
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iTunes had the first episode in HD free the other day so I finally got around to watching the pilot and caught another episode on telly and I love it, I'll be picking up the DVD set tomorrow and giving it all a good watch through.
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Old January 2 2013, 11:29 PM   #84
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I couldn't stop laughing my fool head off when Sherlock had his little hissy fit at John telling him to "better yet, stop inflicting your opinions on the world" and when John says he's leaving Sherlock is like, "Where are you going?" Dammit, you're supposed to stay and fight with me when I'm having a tantrum.

Does Sherlock even call him "John" in any other incarnation of the characters?
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Old January 2 2013, 11:58 PM   #85
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Does Sherlock even call him "John" in any other incarnation of the characters?
Yes, Rathbone, Brett, Cushing and Downey Jr. all do.
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Old January 3 2013, 12:15 AM   #86
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Well, that goes to show how little Sherlock Holmes I've watched prior to now.

I watched a few BAFTA clips. Sherlock itself has won for best drama series. Freeman's won as best supporting actor for 2011--he is one funny guy. Andrew Scott's Moriarty won as best supporting actor in 2012--he's a strikingly soft spoken guy who morphs somehow into an unstable psycho. The only one who hasn't won is Cumberbatch himself, which is damnably odd.

When Dominic West (the 2012 winner for lead) actually jokes that his own sister is "crying her eyes out that you didn't win, Ben" during his acceptance speech--that's some funny shit. Apparently it's been a subject of discussion.
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Bought and watched both series, please tell me there's another one soon.
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Bought and watched both series, please tell me there's another one soon.
I've heard its going to be later this year, but because the actors are busy I have also heard it may be held back till 2014.
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Old January 8 2013, 07:11 PM   #89
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Bought and watched both series, please tell me there's another one soon.
I've heard its going to be later this year, but because the actors are busy I have also heard it may be held back till 2014.
Yep, they apparently don't start production while the Spring, so it could be any time from Winter this year to Summer next year before it's on the air.
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Old January 8 2013, 07:18 PM   #90
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There was so much raving that I tried The Great Game. There were some amusing lines of course. But I got very impatient wondering why Sherlock didn't seem to realize the game was to distract him from the plans, until he withheld the solution to get ahead of the game. Then at the end, when we're supposed to be all surprised that Holmes was an upstanding patriot, he was just pretending to get on Watson's nerves. How pointlessly unpleasant. The extraordinary collection of mannerisms, tics, spasms and random changes of pitch that was called Moriarty was vivd but not impressive.

Scandal in Belgravia rewrote Adler as a whore in love with Holmes because he both beat her and saved her. I'm not particularly sentimental about the Adler character (I enjoyed the equally criminal version in Zero Effect.) But opting to make the make significant female figure in the series a dominatrix seems rather backward. Also, the line about Holmes and Watson being a couple was an unpleasant reminder that Waton is in an abusive relationship.

Hounds of Baskerville was just dull. Haven't just started Reichenbach Fall, but I'm really having trouble accepting the villains whose plan starts with being captured as charcters to take seriously. Worse, not entertaining either.
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