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Old December 31 2012, 02:57 PM   #121
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Re: Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek

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Let's talk about continuity.
Okay.

'Continuity' is for sad lonely cunts to masturbate over while the rest of the audience has fun.

Have a great new year.
I like continuity just fine and I had sex with the wife yesterday.
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Old December 31 2012, 05:21 PM   #122
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'Continuity' is for sad lonely cunts to masturbate over while the rest of the audience has fun.

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Old December 31 2012, 06:02 PM   #123
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Having fans in charge hasn't done the revived Doctor Who any harm.
Doctor Who is the exception to the rule. But even then, RTD made sure he had a non-fan as an executive producer who had veto authority, Julie Gardner. Interestingly enough, some of the more fanwanky things done during RTD's era (like seeing Gallifrey or a montage of all the Doctors) were actually Gardner's idea.

Moffat on the other hand has made Doctor Who less accessable to non-fans. Hell, he's even made it a bit too confusing for fans.
Sorry I'm late to the game on this one, but I'm going to disagree with you a bit on the Dr. Who thought... I've never seen Dr. Who more popular (at least here in the states) than it is right now.. Yes, the marketing, both social a traditional has been much more prevailent that ever before, but I see non-geeky kids my daughter's age (15) wearing t-shirts, hats, socks and snapping up the toys and knick-knacks at a feverish clip. These are the same kinds of kids who scoffed at my love of things Who way back in the 80's.

A whole new generation is digging on Doctor Who and I think that bodes well.
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Old January 1 2013, 02:20 AM   #124
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Having fans in charge hasn't done the revived Doctor Who any harm.
Doctor Who is the exception to the rule. But even then, RTD made sure he had a non-fan as an executive producer who had veto authority, Julie Gardner. Interestingly enough, some of the more fanwanky things done during RTD's era (like seeing Gallifrey or a montage of all the Doctors) were actually Gardner's idea.

Moffat on the other hand has made Doctor Who less accessable to non-fans. Hell, he's even made it a bit too confusing for fans.
Sorry I'm late to the game on this one, but I'm going to disagree with you a bit on the Dr. Who thought... I've never seen Dr. Who more popular (at least here in the states) than it is right now.. Yes, the marketing, both social a traditional has been much more prevailent that ever before, but I see non-geeky kids my daughter's age (15) wearing t-shirts, hats, socks and snapping up the toys and knick-knacks at a feverish clip. These are the same kinds of kids who scoffed at my love of things Who way back in the 80's.

A whole new generation is digging on Doctor Who and I think that bodes well.
I know Doctor Who's popularity is at an all-time high, especially in the US. I just find the episodes of Moffat's run require more foreknolwdge of previous episodes than the episodes of RTD's did. Strictly IMO, of course.
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Old January 1 2013, 05:15 PM   #125
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I know Doctor Who's popularity is at an all-time high, especially in the US. I just find the episodes of Moffat's run require more foreknolwdge of previous episodes than the episodes of RTD's did. Strictly IMO, of course.
True, although most of the episodes in season 7a were, I think, pretty much standalone and very easy to get into.
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Old January 1 2013, 05:22 PM   #126
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It's possible that Abrams just thought the treatment he read was horrible.
That didn't stop him making Stat Trek
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Old January 1 2013, 06:22 PM   #127
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I know Doctor Who's popularity is at an all-time high, especially in the US. I just find the episodes of Moffat's run require more foreknolwdge of previous episodes than the episodes of RTD's did. Strictly IMO, of course.
RTD's final few episodes are incomprehensible if you haven't seen the previous 4 series and specials. All of Series 7A is entirely accessible to a new viewer.
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Old January 1 2013, 06:39 PM   #128
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RTD's final few episodes are incomprehensible if you haven't seen the previous 4 series and specials. All of Series 7A is entirely accessible to a new viewer.
That might be true about The End of Time, but that's a finale. Finales shouldn't have non-fans in mind, since they aren't good starting points at all.
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Old January 1 2013, 06:46 PM   #129
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That might be true about The End of Time, but that's a finale. Finales shouldn't have non-fans in mind, since they aren't good starting points at all.
I'd say a new viewer would understand pretty much all of Parting of the Ways and Doomsday. Then the show became increasingly self-obsessed.
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Old January 1 2013, 06:55 PM   #130
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I'm not saying a finale can't be accessible to new viewers, just that it doesn't have to be. A finale is the resolution to a season's worth of storylines, and if that means requiring foreknowledge, than the finale is the one time to do that. Besides, all RTD's finales include flashback clips to bring everyone up to speed anyway.
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Old January 1 2013, 07:38 PM   #131
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Doctor Who is the exception to the rule. But even then, RTD made sure he had a non-fan as an executive producer who had veto authority, Julie Gardner. Interestingly enough, some of the more fanwanky things done during RTD's era (like seeing Gallifrey or a montage of all the Doctors) were actually Gardner's idea.

Moffat on the other hand has made Doctor Who less accessable to non-fans. Hell, he's even made it a bit too confusing for fans.
Sorry I'm late to the game on this one, but I'm going to disagree with you a bit on the Dr. Who thought... I've never seen Dr. Who more popular (at least here in the states) than it is right now.. Yes, the marketing, both social a traditional has been much more prevailent that ever before, but I see non-geeky kids my daughter's age (15) wearing t-shirts, hats, socks and snapping up the toys and knick-knacks at a feverish clip. These are the same kinds of kids who scoffed at my love of things Who way back in the 80's.

A whole new generation is digging on Doctor Who and I think that bodes well.
I know Doctor Who's popularity is at an all-time high, especially in the US. I just find the episodes of Moffat's run require more foreknolwdge of previous episodes than the episodes of RTD's did. Strictly IMO, of course.
Yeah, I think that's true. Although I don't think there really needs to be a lot of knowledge of previous episodes. The ongoing story arc is generally only build upon in major episodes and each season has a different one. So that's similar to RTD. The big exception to this rule was River Song. I think that's done now - the mystery has been revealed.
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Old January 2 2013, 02:23 AM   #132
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The big exception to this rule was River Song. I think that's done now - the mystery has been revealed.
Though it does seem like we're gearing up for another similar mystery as we try to figure out who Clara Oswin Oswald is.
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Old January 2 2013, 03:01 AM   #133
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But that's the season mystery, no? That's nothing more than Bad Wolf or Torchwood. You don't need to watch last season, even, in order to understand it.
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The Silence plot went through season 5 and 6 and will no doubt come into play again in the future. Personally, I've really enjoyed that storyline so no complaints from me.
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But that's the season mystery, no? That's nothing more than Bad Wolf or Torchwood. You don't need to watch last season, even, in order to understand it.
I suppose so, though traditionally Christmas specials have been left out of the season arcs, with minor exceptions like a Torchwood reference in The Christmas Invasion and a mention of Mr Saxon in The Runaway Bride.
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