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Old December 30 2012, 09:54 AM   #46
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Re: The Borg: Wondering....

From Metamorphosis, a Companion-Borg? Nanites might have a tiny problem with a cloud of gas.








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Old January 2 2013, 04:44 PM   #47
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Re: The Borg: Wondering....

There is only 1 Borg Queen,you should consider her a software that organizes the Collective. when her body is destroyed its replaced with another but her essence remains the same and is downloaded to the new body, so there is only 1 queen,it was referenced in a latent way in First Contact,Endgame,Dark Frontier...

Also Seven of Nine in Endgame stated that there are only 6 Transwarp Hubs in the Galaxy...but the Borg control only 1 of them,there is no indication that every Transwarp hub is for the Borg.
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Old January 2 2013, 04:54 PM   #48
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Nor that the other, supposedly surviving five aren't controlled by the Borg. We haven't seen anybody else make use of the network but the Borg themselves and of course Janeway.

We don't know how many Queens there are, but one would suffice to explain all the appearances. How many bodies this one Queen has at any particular time is another question: the bodies she uses appear to be cloned or otherwise series-produced so that two types (Alice Krige and Susanna Thompson) alternate, but this sort of implied that there exists an endless stock of Krige and Thompson bodies, and the Queen might simultaneously reside in hundreds or millions of those at any given moment.

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Old January 3 2013, 05:59 PM   #49
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Re: The Borg: Wondering....

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Nor that the other, supposedly surviving five aren't controlled by the Borg. We haven't seen anybody else make use of the network but the Borg themselves and of course Janeway.

We don't know how many Queens there are, but one would suffice to explain all the appearances. How many bodies this one Queen has at any particular time is another question: the bodies she uses appear to be cloned or otherwise series-produced so that two types (Alice Krige and Susanna Thompson) alternate, but this sort of implied that there exists an endless stock of Krige and Thompson bodies, and the Queen might simultaneously reside in hundreds or millions of those at any given moment.

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Well yeah as i said,the Queen is the Borg she said so many times,she is the organizer of the Collective,she is the essence of the hive mind, so her body is irrelevant any body can be used as a host for her.
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Old January 4 2013, 05:41 PM   #50
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Re: The Borg: Wondering....

Another thing: Borg and the Quest for Perfection...

I have not seen a more silly approach to logic than the Borg.
Think: They find a species, assimilate it entirely, and move on.
However...
By assimilating the ENTIRE species... they prevent this specific species to evolve, thus, they do not create new science specific to this species, and therefor screw their own development to perfection, correct?
In other words: they prevent perfection....

How can, by ANY means, this logic being uphold?

If I were Borg: I'd go out, assimilate maybe 20% of a species, and move on to the next.
100 years later, I'd come back, see how far they moved on at the path of technology, and if it's decent, repeat the whole (depending on how far they restored their numbers, if it is insufficient, take lower numbers to be added to the collective).
Rinse and repeat...

Thoughts?
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Old January 4 2013, 06:02 PM   #51
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A'Tun-Te wrote: View Post
Thoughts?

For that matter, I've always thought it idiotic that in First contact the Borg travel back in time to a point where humanity was barely warp capable, when the entire point of assmilation is 'to add your biological and technological distinctiveness to their own'. More so, because we already know (from dark frontier, I think), that from the Borg point of view , our 'biological distinctiveness' is most probably quite underaverage ...
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Old January 4 2013, 06:15 PM   #52
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True so.
The Borg simply make no sense to themselves.

Wondering if the creator(s) put any actual thought into it...?
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Old January 5 2013, 07:24 AM   #53
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Re: The Borg: Wondering....

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True so.
The Borg simply make no sense to themselves.

Wondering if the creator(s) put any actual thought into it...?
The movie directors rarely gave any thought to what the TV creators did. The Wraith of Khan being the exception after the not as good as expected response to The Motion Picture.
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Old January 5 2013, 08:49 AM   #54
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Still, a more logical 'species' would be, well, a LOT more logical, no?

In the end, who prevents his own goal in such a foolish way?
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Old January 5 2013, 02:53 PM   #55
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Well the "logic" of the logical species didn't make much sense to me either. Nor did the explanation that only Starfleet humans, and maybe Andorians in the Enterprise reboot saw through the Vulcan BS.
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Old January 5 2013, 03:13 PM   #56
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Re: The Borg: Wondering....

Well, not every Vulcan is a Spock...
He was bloody good as a Vulcan, and greatly missed by me.
That green-blooded goblin... XD
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