Ron D. Moore about VOY - Page 2

R. Star · January 2 2013, 06:16 AM

Dale Sams wrote:

I've recently started watching VOY starting at Counterpoint, and going from there. The show is fine, touching even sometimes. Very sci-fiish at that point. What more can you ask for?

DS9?

teacake · January 2 2013, 06:29 AM

You want 14 seasons of DS9?

exodus · January 2 2013, 06:53 AM

Salinga wrote:

I found out about this interview with Moore today, and I have to say, it is probably pretty controversal in the VOY fan community, because, boy, is Moore bashing the show!

Since Moore has defined Trek a lot, it is still an interesting read even for VOY fans:

Before it aired, I was at a convention in Pasadena, and [scenic illustrator, technical consultant Rick] Sternbach and [scenic art supervisor, technical consultant Michael] Okuda were on stage, and they were answering questions from the audience about the new ship. It was all very technical, and they were talking about the fact that in the premise this ship was going to have problems. It wasn’t going to have unlimited sources of energy. It wasn’t going to have all the doodads of the Enterprise. It was going to be rougher, fending for themselves more, having to trade to get supplies that they want. That didn’t happen. It doesn’t happen at all, and it’s a lie to the audience. I think the audience intuitively knows when something is true and something is not true. VOYAGER is not true.

http://www.lcarscom.net/rdm1000118.htm

I think this was the original intention of Voyager..........before much of the viewing audience stated loosing interest in Trek. DS9 was grittier than TNG but they still needed to bring the Defiant and Worf on the show to keep those TNG fans watching. If Trek had remained in syndication and not gone on UPN, then this is the Voyager we would have gotten but going on a major network to compete against ABC, NBC, CBS & even FOX changed the game.

R. Star · January 2 2013, 07:22 AM

teacake wrote:

You want 14 seasons of DS9?

YES!!! *nerdgasm*

teacake · January 2 2013, 08:05 AM

8 seasons of Ezri.. that's hot.

Dream · January 2 2013, 08:09 AM

DS9 and VOY were never going to have more than 7 seasons each.

teacake · January 2 2013, 08:09 AM

We're fantasizing Dream. We can have whatever we want.

Mage · January 2 2013, 08:55 AM

teacake wrote:

You want 14 seasons of DS9?

As a Niner, I'll say that 14 seasons of DS9 would be to much. But to capture what DS9 did, spread of those two shows, for 14 seasons....yes.

Interesting interview, but when taken into context that I've read Berman and Braga complaining that they were on a tight leash from the studio's execs and that a lot of the things that were done on VOY and ENT were basicly forced on them... I don't know what to believe anymore.

I will say, that I agree with a lot of what Moore said. About how the show didn't live up to its promises. But that's something we've always known. If it's all soley Braga's and Berman's fault, or perhaps from way more up top than that... who knows? And right now, who really cares anymore? What's done is done. I wish that, instead of whining and complaining about everything that's wrong with the show(s), people would talk more about what they liked about their favorite shows.

Guy Gardener · January 2 2013, 09:01 AM

Gushing gets old quick.

it's about balance.

The dufus Jedi thought that bringing balance to the force was a good thing.

And maybe it was.

If they could have trained up 10 thousand Sith to balance off against the ten thousand Jedi. that would have been fine, unfortunately the execution of ten thousand Jedi brought balance with more expediency.

King Daniel · January 2 2013, 12:23 PM

The Voyager is a lie. [/GLaDOS]

Carcazoid · January 2 2013, 12:39 PM

I read an interview with RDM back when all this was new. He said that (paraphrasing) when he moved over to VOY he was happy to be working with his old writing buddy again, but the atmosphere was different. Almost hostile. He felt like Braga didn't want him there, and it was not fun going to work every day. So he left.

Or something like that.

teacake · January 2 2013, 12:58 PM

I'm pretty sure that's the interview the OP is referencing.

"Part of me is hurt, and a bit angry at Brannon on a personal level, as my friend, not as my boss. As my friend, I felt pretty pissed off."

lurok · January 2 2013, 06:39 PM

I blame Jeri.

exodus · January 2 2013, 11:42 PM

teacake wrote:

I'm pretty sure that's the interview the OP is referencing.

"Part of me is hurt, and a bit angry at Brannon on a personal level, as my friend, not as my boss. As my friend, I felt pretty pissed off."

The dynamics of friendships change when you go from equals to one getting a promotion to be a boss. It almost sounds like Moore wasn't expecting that.

teacake · January 3 2013, 12:18 AM

lurok wrote:

I blame Jeri.

Which Jeri?

January 2 2013, 06:29 AM	#17
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Ron D. Moore about VOY You want 14 seasons of DS9? __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

January 2 2013, 08:05 AM	#20
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Ron D. Moore about VOY 8 seasons of Ezri.. that's hot. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

January 2 2013, 08:09 AM	#21
Dream Admiral	Re: Ron D. Moore about VOY DS9 and VOY were never going to have more than 7 seasons each. __________________ TWoP Forums .

January 2 2013, 08:09 AM	#22
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Ron D. Moore about VOY We're fantasizing Dream. We can have whatever we want. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

January 2 2013, 09:01 AM	#24
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: Ron D. Moore about VOY Gushing gets old quick. it's about balance. The dufus Jedi thought that bringing balance to the force was a good thing. And maybe it was. If they could have trained up 10 thousand Sith to balance off against the ten thousand Jedi. that would have been fine, unfortunately the execution of ten thousand Jedi brought balance with more expediency. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

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January 2 2013, 12:23 PM	#25
King Daniel Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: Ron D. Moore about VOY The Voyager is a lie. [/GLaDOS] __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

January 2 2013, 12:39 PM	#26
Carcazoid Captain Location: Planet Carcazed	Re: Ron D. Moore about VOY I read an interview with RDM back when all this was new. He said that (paraphrasing) when he moved over to VOY he was happy to be working with his old writing buddy again, but the atmosphere was different. Almost hostile. He felt like Braga didn't want him there, and it was not fun going to work every day. So he left. Or something like that. __________________ =Carcazoid=

January 2 2013, 12:58 PM	#27
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Ron D. Moore about VOY I'm pretty sure that's the interview the OP is referencing. "Part of me is hurt, and a bit angry at Brannon on a personal level, as my friend, not as my boss. As my friend, I felt pretty pissed off." __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

January 2 2013, 06:39 PM	#28
lurok Commodore Location: Lost In The EU Expanse	Re: Ron D. Moore about VOY I blame Jeri.