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Old January 2 2013, 02:34 AM   #331
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Re: Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot?

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If you had to be marooned on a desert island with only one of the last five Trek movies, would anyone really choose Insurrection or Nemesis?
I'd pick Insurrection but I'd feel dirty about it. It's the only one that really resembles Star Trek.
It certainly resembles a two-hour TNG TV episode.
A very bad two-hour episode.
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Old January 2 2013, 02:34 AM   #332
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I'd go with the new movie of the last five, but would be torn between Khan and TVH if I had all the movies to choose from.
I'd currently rank them from best to cack:

Star Trek: The Motion Picture - YEAH BABY, my kinda cinema!

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - Great, memorable action flick.

Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country - Pretty good.

Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home - See above, bit too light and broad though.

Star Trek III: Search For Spock - It's... there..

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier - Bad but fun.

Star Trek: Insurrection - Bad Star Trek but at least it is Star Trek

Star Trek: First Contact - Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb....

Star Trek: Nemesis - Dumb, dumb, dumb, yawn.


I dunno which I'd enjoy watching least these days out of Generations and Abrams Trek. One day I'll do a marathon and find out..
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Old January 2 2013, 02:37 AM   #333
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Best to worst...

The Motion Picture
The Undiscovered Country
The Search for Spock
The Wrath of Khan
Star Trek 2009
The Voyage Home
Nemesis
The Final Frontier
Generations
First Contact
Insurrection
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Old January 2 2013, 02:40 AM   #334
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Re: Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot?

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I'd pick Insurrection but I'd feel dirty about it. It's the only one that really resembles Star Trek.
It certainly resembles a two-hour TNG TV episode.
A very bad two-hour episode.
Meh. It was fine.
It didn't knock my socks off as a movie should, but it was still a story worth watching.

If it WAS a TNG episode, I would personally rank it "slightly above mediocre" compared to the rest of the body of work that was the TNG TV series (i.e., I would rank it in the top 50% of TNG TV episodes). However, being a feature film, "slightly above mediocre" is not good enough.
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Old January 2 2013, 02:42 AM   #335
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It certainly resembles a two-hour TNG TV episode.
A very bad two-hour episode.
Meh. It was fine.

It didn't knock my cocks off as a movie should, but it was still a story worth watching. If it WAS a TNG episode, it would be ranked "slightly above mediocre" compared to the rest of the bidy of work that was the TNG TV series. However, being a feature film, "slightly above mediocre" is not good enough.
I'd rather watch a Code of Honor/Angel One double-feature than be subjected to Insurrection again.
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Old January 2 2013, 02:43 AM   #336
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Re: Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot?

I'll leave Nemesis off the list because it's the one of the eleven that I haven't seen, but here's my list, from best to worst.

The Wrath of Khan
First Contact
The Undiscovered Country
The Voyage Home
The Search for Spock
Generations
Insurrection
The Motion Picture
Star Trek
The Final Frontier
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Old January 2 2013, 03:00 AM   #337
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I'd go with:

Khan
The Voyage Home
Undiscovered Country
Star Trek (2009)
First Contact
The Search for Spock
TMP
Generations
Nemesis
Insurrection
Final Frontier

To be fair, I'd pretty much have to flip a coin between Insurrection and Nemesis, since I'm not sure I've seen either of them more than once.
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Old January 2 2013, 03:04 AM   #338
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I can relate man, I saw Nemesis 2 weeks ago and even I barely remember it.

Wish my mind could do the same with Generations .
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Old January 2 2013, 03:07 AM   #339
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I can relate man, I saw Nemesis 2 weeks ago and even I barely remember it.

Wish my mind could do the same with Generations .
There's a Nemesis 2?? Good God.

I'm Trek's biggest fan (yes we all say that), and I still haven't seen Insurrection or Nemesis but for a few scenes.

And as usual, I have to point out that Nemesis has a lovely score.
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Old January 2 2013, 03:16 AM   #340
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Re: Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot?

I first saw The Voyage Home, The Final Frontier and Generations a couple of weeks ago thanks to Syfy's Trek movie marathon. I (believe it or not) regret not recording Nemesis. I could have gotten it out of the way.
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Old January 2 2013, 03:19 AM   #341
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I find The Final Frontier hugely enjoyable. It's the film that most feels like TOS.

Despite being terrible.
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Old January 2 2013, 03:25 AM   #342
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Also, since you know the timeline changed, you know Kirk's upbringing was different. Without his dad's influence, dealing with a stepfather he didn't like... he became more of a smartass and less grim.
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More grim, surely?
Well... he did strike me as more grim early on, before Pike's speech. But once he was in the academy, I thought he seemed to be more blasé than anything else.
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Old January 2 2013, 04:02 AM   #343
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There's just no way anybody will be able to convince me that 25 seasons is the sign of failure.
That's not a call that you get to make where the current and future direction of Star Trek is concerned. The people who own it were quite convinced by declining ratings and the bottom line.
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Old January 2 2013, 04:08 AM   #344
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Interesting. Is it just me or, despite our differences regarding the reboot, are all these lists pretty similar, with the same films clustered around the top and bottom--with the notable exceptions of TMP and 2009, which are all over the place?
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Old January 2 2013, 04:28 AM   #345
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Interesting. Is it just me or, despite our differences regarding the reboot, are all these lists pretty similar, with the same films clustered around the top and bottom--with the notable exceptions of TMP and 2009, which are all over the place?
Well, yeah, you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who thinks TWOK isn't one of the best and/or Nemesis isn't one of the worst.
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