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Old December 31 2012, 01:18 AM   #31
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Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?

Oh, I know and agree. I just can't hear "...is an illusion" without hearing Benedict Cumberbatch's voice from the Into Darkness teaser.
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Old December 31 2012, 01:36 AM   #32
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I second this recommendation. The DTI books are some of the very best of the post-Nemesis novels. Thank goodness for David Mack with his excellent Cold Equations series, otherwise I'd be going out of my mind waiting for the next DTI installment (which is coming out when, exactly? Does anybody know?).
There are currently no plans for another DTI book. This does not mean there will never be another one, but there is no guarantee of another one either.
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Old December 31 2012, 04:14 AM   #33
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Relayer1 wrote:
Would such entanglement (especially if Data's head is discovered and activated) lead to the two timelines to reconverge sometime in the future ?
No.

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And if so, what happens to Vulcan/Romulus ?
...and this is part of why not.
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Old December 31 2012, 11:36 AM   #34
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I just watched the movie again after a few years. Something that really struck me and also did on first viewing was how quickly the Enterprise crew accept that older Spock and Nero are from the future.

The very idea of time travel being possible they do not really question much. While the movie was seemingly geared to new audiences this is an aspect that felt like it was build on preconceived notions of Star Trek. A big one is that Time Travel is possible.

This alone could be sign of ENT being their past. Even if the Temorpal Cold War was not widley know or believed by the 23rd Century, Time Travel as being possible would have been more seriously considered than it was in Archer's time. Where Vulcan's completely denied it.
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Old December 31 2012, 02:32 PM   #35
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I just watched the movie again after a few years. Something that really struck me and also did on first viewing was how quickly the Enterprise crew accept that older Spock and Nero are from the future.
Kirk didn't believe Spock was from the future until after the mind-meld, and Nero never told anyone. Although a deleted scene did feature a Klingon who figured it out about Nero.
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Old December 31 2012, 08:39 PM   #36
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Before Kirk even meets older Spock, Spock is suggesting to the crew his speculation that Nero's advanced tech is because he is from the future. The galaxy is filled with an endless number of species the Federation had never met and have no idea of the tech they would have. Its surprising that seeing advanced tech Spock would think it needs to be from the future.
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Old December 31 2012, 08:42 PM   #37
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They is why a clean reboot instead of some loose end tying to the other universe would've been preferable. It's bad enough to take an old deck, shuffle the cards and sell it as a new game, but keeping the connection to the "prime" universe just really undermines it.
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Old December 31 2012, 08:56 PM   #38
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Even outside of Star Trek, I think almost all recent Reboots are partially dependent of knowledge of the previous versions. Written with many core concepts not explained because the properties are so well known. So it was to Star Trek's advantage to actually be upfront with that and have a connection to it past.
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Old January 1 2013, 12:46 AM   #39
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Word of God (Bob Orci over at Trekmovie.com) says it's a branching timeline beginning in 2233, that it's one shared history up until that point.
Ah, right. It's a single timeline time travel set-up with a multiple timeline set-up.

In this case, it would seem that there is, at least, a vague causal connection with TNG via Enterprise, since Enterprise was a single timeline story which shot through the entire history of Trek up through the Enterprise J.
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Old January 2 2013, 01:14 AM   #40
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Word of God (Bob Orci over at Trekmovie.com) says it's a branching timeline beginning in 2233, that it's one shared history up until that point.
Ah, right. It's a single timeline time travel set-up with a multiple timeline set-up.

In this case, it would seem that there is, at least, a vague causal connection with TNG via Enterprise, since Enterprise was a single timeline story which shot through the entire history of Trek up through the Enterprise J.
I thought the Enterprise-J timeline ceased to exist once the Sphere Builders were defeated?
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Old January 2 2013, 02:10 AM   #41
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Well, the Expanse won't, er, well, expand, but everything else in that timeline like the existence of the Enterprise J or the Klingons eventually joining the Federation should continue to happen.
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Old January 2 2013, 02:16 AM   #42
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Well, the Expanse won't, er, well, expand, but everything else in that timeline like the existence of the Enterprise J or the Klingons eventually joining the Federation should continue to happen.
Why?

The ships in that version of the 26th century were likely designed to work and fight in the Expanse. There would no longer be a reason to design ships with that in mind. The Enterprise-J without Sphere Builder influence could be radically different.
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Old January 2 2013, 02:19 AM   #43
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Eh, I just prefer to assume that anyway. Usually so I can consider the Enterprise J to be completely canonical.
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Eh, I just prefer to assume that anyway. Usually so I can consider the Enterprise J to be completely canonical.
Fair enough.
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Old January 2 2013, 07:32 AM   #45
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The ships in that version of the 26th century were likely designed to work and fight in the Expanse. There would no longer be a reason to design ships with that in mind. The Enterprise-J without Sphere Builder influence could be radically different.
Since the Enterprise-J existed in a parallel universe where the Expanse grew from the 22nd century to encompass the huge amount of space it did by the 26th, I would assume that every version of the Enterprise from the Ent-Nil to the Ent-J would have looked quite different than the prime universe versions. Because the Ent-J shares many similarities to the NX-01's design, I would also assume that all the other Enterprises in between did as well, which the Prime universe's Ents-Nil through E did not.
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