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Old January 1 2013, 12:32 AM   #16
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Re: Was Chakotay a stereotype?

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It would've actually been cool if they seriously made an effort to have Chakotay express his culture and spirituality in a believable way. Specifically name a tribe, don't just barrow cliche elements from the stereotype and put an effort into research.

It would be just as bad if they had a black man on there who practiced voodoo, played jazz, hunted lions and referenced working in the cotton fields.
The producers did have input from author Jamake Highwater, who presented 7 pages of research. Highwater had presented himself as of American Indian ancestry, though this was disputed by other Native Americans. Seems he was actually an Armenian named Jay Marks, who had been adopted by a Greek family. Highwater's critics called his works inauthentic, stereotypical, and claimed he got federal grant money illegally. (source: Wikipedia)
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Old January 1 2013, 12:34 AM   #17
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Re: Was Chakotay a stereotype?

From requiem for methuselah
SPOCK: Your collection of Leonardo da Vinci masterpieces, Mister Flint, they appear to have been recently painted on contemporary canvas with contemporary materials. And on your piano, a waltz by Johannes Brahms, an unknown work in manuscript, written in modern ink. Yet absolutely authentic, as are your paintings.
FLINT: I am Brahms.
SPOCK: And da Vinci?
FLINT: Yes.
SPOCK: How many other names shall we call you?
FLINT: Solomon, Alexander, Lazarus, Methuselah, Merlin, Abramson. A hundred other names you do not know.
SPOCK: You were born?
FLINT: In that region of earth later called Mesopotamia, in the year 3834 BC, as the millennia are reckoned. I was Akharin, a soldier, a bully and a fool. I fell in battle, pierced to the heart and did not die.
Alternative Factor my bell bottomed ass.
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Old January 1 2013, 12:36 AM   #18
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Re: Was Chakotay a stereotype?

Okay you win a snowman shaped t-shirt with I AM A WINNER on it in red glitter.
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Old January 1 2013, 02:07 AM   #19
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Re: Was Chakotay a stereotype?

You know when you read dialogues like that it drives it home to everyone that ST is not even close to our own universe, which makes these threads even dafter than they were before.
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Old January 1 2013, 02:11 AM   #20
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Re: Was Chakotay a stereotype?

You mean how Captain Jack is missing from the list of folk Flint is?
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Old January 1 2013, 01:31 PM   #21
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Re: Was Chakotay a stereotype?

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Old January 1 2013, 01:39 PM   #22
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Re: Was Chakotay a stereotype?

Janeway can fence. Why couldn't we have gotten a holodeck pirate or musketeer episode?
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Old January 1 2013, 10:39 PM   #23
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Re: Was Chakotay a stereotype?

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Since when did one's ethnicity mean you had to be expert at everything in that society? It's the 24th century for fuck's sake. How many of them, d'you think could fly fish, imitate barn owls or woodpeckers to fool the authentic bird, run a red light without causing a pile-up or get served at a 6 deep bar 2 minutes before the bell?
They are all pathetic and can't do anything thanks to replicators, holodecks, transporters and too much evolved humanity for their own good.
They can explore space and have created a society where there is no oppression, no poverty, no starvation and no greed. A lot of good things accomplished compared to 21th century pathetic humans.
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Old January 1 2013, 11:33 PM   #24
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Re: Was Chakotay a stereotype?

After world war 3 you mean?

And not even that but after Optimum and Colonel Green.

Where the Vulcans around for Colonel Green?

But all man did was suck on the Vulcan teet until Earth grew up into Vulcan II.
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Old January 2 2013, 12:09 AM   #25
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Janeway can fence. Why couldn't we have gotten a holodeck pirate or musketeer episode?

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Old January 2 2013, 12:34 AM   #26
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Re: Was Chakotay a stereotype?

Oh great, we can sign Kate Mulgrew up for either the Xena reboot or the Pirates of the Caribbean reboot.
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Old January 2 2013, 12:57 AM   #27
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Re: Was Chakotay a stereotype?

YES PLEASE.

And she already plays this character in an AU universe of San Diego

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Old January 2 2013, 02:05 AM   #28
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Alternate Universe or Australia?

Hell?

I haven't gotten that backwards all this time?

Are you from the Alternate Universe Teacake?
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Old January 2 2013, 02:20 AM   #29
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I try and create an alternate universe around myself at all times. I'm bending reality to my will.
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Old January 2 2013, 02:37 AM   #30
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Don't we all.
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