A three film comparison/face-off...

[BillJ]

I had no doubt this would turn into a Star Trek 2009 bitchfest.

[Warped9]

The Mirrorball Man wrote:

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Which, despite what some may say, is a perfectly valid way to decide whether a movie appeals to you or not. If you're turned off by the trailers, there's no reason at all to spend time and money watching a movie that's obviously not for you.

Of course, it also means that your opinion about Star Trek isn't worth much.

This is "horseshit." If he's been watching Trek in all its incarnations for decades then he has a perfectly valid opinion of what it is. And if he has similar tastes to others who often reflect his opinions then he's got nothing to apologize for.

[The Mirrorball Man]

Warped9 wrote:

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This is "horseshit." If he's been watching Trek in all its incarnations for decades then he has a perfectly valid opinion of what it is. And if he has similar tastes to others who often reflect his opinions then he's got nothing to apologize for.

Of course he's got nothing to apologize for, that goes without saying. But if he hasn't seen the movie, his opinion about the movie is completely lacking in interest.

[sidious618]

Prometheus is my favorite of the three. I really loved that film and was quite impressed by the quality when I first saw it in theaters. Of the three it's also the only one I own on DVD. TDKR would come next followed by Star Trek.

Warped9 wrote:

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This is "horseshit." If he's been watching Trek in all its incarnations for decades then he has a perfectly valid opinion of what it is. And if he has similar tastes to others who often reflect his opinions then he's got nothing to apologize for.

I'm pretty sure he meant the poster's opinion on Star Trek the movie is worthless since he hasn't actually seen it, not his opinion on Star Trek as a whole.

[The Mirrorball Man]

sidious618 wrote:

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I'm pretty sure he meant the poster's opinion on Star Trek the movie is worthless since he hasn't actually seen it, not his opinion on Star Trek as a whole.

Well yes, that's what we're talking about here, isn't it?

[sidious618]

The Mirrorball Man wrote:

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Well yes, that's what we're talking about here, isn't it?

Yep, but it seems like Warped9 took it as Star Trek as a whole otherwise his post doesn't really make any sense.

[Warped9]

The Mirrorball Man wrote:

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Of course he's got nothing to apologize for, that goes without saying. But if he hasn't seen the movie, his opinion about the movie is completely lacking in interest.

I was pretty much in Admiral2's position in that I had zero interest in seeing the film. I certainly wasn't going to pay good money to see what I had already suspected was a train wreck. The only reason I did see it was because a coworker at the time shared his download with me. What shocked me when I did finally watch it is that it was even worse than I had half suspected.

But this position could apply to any film. If the trailers and marketing don't grab you then it's pretty hard to work up some interest in the thing. It's true you just might be mistaken, but if your lack of interest is bolstered by the opinions of others with whom you've shared common tastes then the likelihood of you changing your mind is very small.

Mind you Trek has been on a down slide for years so one could be forgiven for thinking things weren't going to get any better anytime soon. And in this case Admiral2's suspicions (and mine) were dead on. The fact that it was commercially popular is largely meaningless (at least to him) because lots of garbage movies are commercially popular.

It must be said that I've been on the other side of the fence. There are films I quite liked (and were even popular) that quite a few others vocally denounced.

[sidious618]

I thought Star Trek was going to be pretty shitty but I enjoyed it.

[Deckerd]

I completely agree that someone's opinion of a film they haven't actually seen is worthless.

[The Mirrorball Man]

Warped9 wrote:

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Mind you Trek has been on a down slide for years so one could be forgiven for thinking things weren't going to get any better anytime soon. And in this case Admiral2's suspicions (and mine) were dead on. The fact that it was commercially popular is largely meaningless (at least to him) because lots of garbage movies are commercially popular.

Your position on the movie is well-known. As far as I'm concerned, Star Trek is not a perfect movie but undoubtedly the most fun and enjoyable of all the Trek films, and the reason why the franchise is no longer on the down slide.

I thought Prometheus was appalling, a mind-numbing mess with a truly terrible script and a waste of a very talented cast. The Dark Knight Rises was engaging had some excellent performances but the pace was uneven and in some respects, the script felt like a first draft.

[Set Harth]

Warped9 wrote:

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This is "horseshit." If he's been watching Trek in all its incarnations for decades then he has a perfectly valid opinion of what it is.

The italics meant that he was referring to Star Trek, the film, not Star Trek the franchise.

[Admiral2]

The Mirrorball Man wrote:

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Which, despite what some may say, is a perfectly valid way to decide whether a movie appeals to you or not. If you're turned off by the trailers, there's no reason at all to spend time and money watching a movie that's obviously not for you.

Of course, it also means that your opinion about Star Trek isn't worth much.

Go back and read what I wrote more carefully.

Quote moi:

Star Trek: Still ain't seen it. Still don't intend to, because the trailers sucked huge. And I don't care what people think of me saying that.

I wasn't giving an opinion of a movie I haven't seen, which, as you say, would be worthless. I was giving an opinion of trailers I'd seen ad nauseum going to other movies and the decision I made based on them, which as you also said, I had every right to do.

By the way, an opinion of a movie that one hasn't seen may be worthless, but negatively commenting on an opinion that wasn't actually offered is kinda stupid.

[sidious618]

Considering you decided to use a negative quote about the film as your signature, you can't possibly think you can get away with saying you haven't given an opinion about the film.

[Admiral2]

sidious618 wrote:

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Considering you decided to use a negative quote about the film as your signature, you can't possibly think you can get away with saying you haven't given an opinion about the film.

Sure I can. I'm using the quote cause it's funny. It's Warped9's opinion...

[Orac]

Breaking news! Warped9 hates Star Trek (2009).